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2006-10-17 19:52:48
howdy, all. I was on this list for quite some time a while
back, but 
then signed off the net for a bit. Didn't hardly even touch
a computer. 
(Can you say "withdrawal"??) Recently made my way
back on and have 
rejoined this list.

Does anyone have a list of web hosts that support
Apache::ASP? I keep 
sifting through stuff I get from searches, but it's
extremely time 
consuming trying to figure out which ones are supporting
Apache::ASP, as 
opposed to MS or ChiliSoft. I've tried internet searches and
host site 
searches. I've tried using "Apache::ASP" as a term
but that usually 
brings me back to the Apache::ASP website.  Oh, and
I've looked 
through the few listed on the Apache::ASP website. Just
thought there 
might be more of a choice now.

My current host supports it but I'm not completely happy
with them. 
Nothing major - I'll stay with them if I can't find an
alternative.

Four days ago I signed up for an account with another host
that 
advertises supporting Apache::ASP, but the Apache::ASP is
not working. I 
think their tech support is still running around in circles
trying to 
figure it out - even after four days. I say
"think" because they've only 
bothered to contact me four or five times with a "We're
still working on 
it!" type message. It took them less seconds to charge
my credit card 
than it has days to get my account setup. I will have to ask
for my 
money back.

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asp host
user name
2006-10-18 13:08:40
D. L. Fox wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a list of web hosts that support
Apache::ASP? 

You're narrowing your scope unnecessarily here.  Unlike with
the _other_ 
ASP, it isn't the case that Apache::ASP is either supported
or it isn't. 
  It would be nice if it were preinstalled and configured,
but that 
isn't necessary.  What you really must have are: 1) Apache;
2) 
permission to modify httpd.conf; 3) mod_perl; and 4) the
ability to get 
arbitrary CPAN modules installed.  There are a whole lot of
web hosts 
that fit that criteria.

There are a few web hosts that let you do all that without
root access 
to the server, but I wouldn't recommend them.  You often
have to involve 
their tech support droids to get things set up, and that
usually results 
in too much hassle, as you've found out.  I imagine you're
not in the 
market for a dedicated server.  Therefore, I would recommend
any of the 
VPS sort of web hosts: ones that give you root access to a
virtual 
machine so you can run CPAN yourself.

I've just been through this myself, so I can give you a few
tips in 
selecting a provider:

1. Be sure to check versions of everything.  I briefly tried
setting up 
Apache::ASP at one hosting provider that was still using Red
Hat Linux 
7.3!  You probably have no idea how hard it is to get modern
software to 
build on something that old.  Since new software is freely
available, 
the Linux world tends to abandon backwards compatibility
much more 
quickly than the commercial software world.  You want to
find a host 
where the major pieces aren't more than a few years old. 
You don't need 
to be bleeding edge, just avoid the overly conservatives
ones.

2. A lot of cheap hosting providers keep their prices down
by putting 
some pretty severe restrictions on the amount of RAM given
to each 
customer.  64 MB is just not enough.  Even if you strip down
MySQL and 
Apache to turn off all the space-for-time tradeoffs they
have -- child 
prespawning in Apache, big caches in MySQL, etc. -- you'll
still be 
running up against memory limits.  You might actually get it
working, 
but you won't be able to run things like system updates
while the web 
and database servers are up.  Start a second Perl
interpreter instance, 
or a C++ compiler, or a tool like yum, and you're running
the system out 
of memory again.  Apache::ASP does Bad Things (TM) when it
runs out of 
RAM.  I'd say 96-128 MB is the smallest reasonable amount. 
256 MB is 
plenty, ignoring application-specific overhead.

3. As for how to find such hosts, a Google search for
"Linux VPS" will 
turn up dozens.  There are a few companies using OSes other
than Linux, 
and some don't call it a VPS, but you'll get plenty of
choices.  Just 
some names to demonstrate the variety out there: VPSLink,
Linode, Web 
Intellects, and Verio.  Between those four, you can probably
find a 10:1 
price ratio, a 5:1 base resource ratio, not a single control
panel 
that's the same among them, wholly different management
models....  Look 
at those four, then look at another dozen before making your
decision. 
There's a company out there with exactly the right feature
balance for 
you.  There's too much competition for two companies to
offer exactly 
the same service set.  We've got hyper-differentiation going
on here.

> bothered to contact me four or five times with a
"We're still working on 
> it!" type message. It took them less seconds to
charge my credit card 
> than it has days to get my account setup. 

Naturally.  Charging your credit card is a solved technical
problem. 
One should not rely on someone else's tech support droids to
solve 
technical problems.

I hereby posit the theory of the 4 Rs of Tech Support:
Reboot, 
Reinstall, Replace, or Refuse to Acknowledge.  If your
problem requires 
another solution, you're better off doing it yourself.

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asp host
user name
2006-10-19 01:58:56
Warren, thanks for the response packed full of info. It
makes for a good 
tutorial on how to get started, IMHO.

> some names to demonstrate the variety out there:
VPSLink, Linode, Web 
> Intellects, and Verio.

Now this is a lesson to me. As many times as I've installed
Apache, 
mod_perl, Apache::ASP, etc. on my boxes at home (Windows and
Linux), I 
never even thought to go this route. DOH!

I really like the thought of having that much control over
the server. 
Then if it breaks, I can only blame myself (backup, backup,
backup).

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