I don't know why would soapUI send 4 requests. I only click
on the button
once.
As for the server closing the connection when it's not
recognizing the
request, it is a possibility. However, nowhere in the
documentation I was
given was it indicated that real values should be passed. As
I was
explaining John, this web service should be called blindly
since the client
is not supposed to know what field devices just changed
status. Plus, they
have sent me a C client generated with gSOAP. They claimed
that it is
working. I looked at the code and I couldn't see any real
values in there
either. Based on the MAKE file, I generated the executable
and when I call
it, I get a "Connection was gracefully closed by
server" response.
As I said, I can make the wsdl and xsd files available to
you, if you want
to try it. For the values, just like me, you would go with
some defaults.
Thanks,
Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
[mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNET DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On Behalf Of Adam
Sills
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:03 PM
To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to connect
to the remote server" exception
Did it just send 4 requests or does it retry automatically
or something?
Anyway, there's a good possibility that if you send it
something invalid
it'll close the response without responding. I've seen
developers do this
before (if the input isn't expected or can't be handled,
just call
Response.Close) so I wouldn't put it past them to be doing
something similar
(which is wrong, but the only thing you can do is send it
valid input).
Adam..
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
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Lascu
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:39 PM
To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to connect to
the remote server" exception
Forgot to mention that when something comes back from the
server, that is
prefixed with "<<" in the HTTP Log output
window of the soapUI tool. I'm
pretty sure you all knew that, though...
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
[mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On Behalf Of Eddie
Lascu
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:29 PM
To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to connect
to the remote server" exception
Hi Adam,
This is the HTTP LOg traced in soapUI. As you can see, there
is nothing
coming back from the server.
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008 EBUG:>
;> "POST / HTTP/1.1[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Content-Type:
text/xml;charset=UTF-8[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "SOAPAction: ""[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "User-Agent: Jakarta
Commons-HttpClient/3.0.1[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Host: dap3.dot.ca.gov:18080[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Content-Length: 947[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "<soapenv:Envelope
xmlns:soapenv="http:
//schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"
xmlns:atie="http://www.ATIE-00
-00-01">[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <soapenv:Header/>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <soapenv:Body>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <atie:rMSResponseData>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rmsMessage>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rmsStatus>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<device-id>A</device-id>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<meter-status>off</meter-status>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<last-update>2008-07-15
12:00:00</last-update>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rmsStatus>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<assocLDSid>A</assocLDSid>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-owning>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-id>A</organization-id>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-name>A</organization-name>[n]&quo
t;
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
</organization-owning>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rms-location>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<latitude>90000000</latitude>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<longitude>180000000</longitude>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rms-location>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<station-status>off</station-status>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<meter-rate>0</meter-rate>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rmsMessage>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </atie:rMSResponseData>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </soapenv:Body>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:10 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "</soapenv:Envelope>"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "POST / HTTP/1.1[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Content-Type:
text/xml;charset=UTF-8[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "SOAPAction: ""[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "User-Agent: Jakarta
Commons-HttpClient/3.0.1[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Content-Length: 947[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Host: dap3.dot.ca.gov:18080[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "<soapenv:Envelope
xmlns:soapenv="http:
//schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"
xmlns:atie="http://www.ATIE-00
-00-01">[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <soapenv:Header/>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <soapenv:Body>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <atie:rMSResponseData>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rmsMessage>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rmsStatus>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<device-id>A</device-id>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<meter-status>off</meter-status>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<last-update>2008-07-15
12:00:00</last-update>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rmsStatus>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<assocLDSid>A</assocLDSid>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-owning>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-id>A</organization-id>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-name>A</organization-name>[n]&quo
t;
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
</organization-owning>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rms-location>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<latitude>90000000</latitude>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<longitude>180000000</longitude>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rms-location>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<station-status>off</station-status>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<meter-rate>0</meter-rate>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rmsMessage>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </atie:rMSResponseData>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </soapenv:Body>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "</soapenv:Envelope>"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "POST / HTTP/1.1[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Content-Type:
text/xml;charset=UTF-8[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "SOAPAction: ""[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "User-Agent: Jakarta
Commons-HttpClient/3.0.1[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Content-Length: 947[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Host: dap3.dot.ca.gov:18080[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "<soapenv:Envelope
xmlns:soapenv="http:
//schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"
xmlns:atie="http://www.ATIE-00
-00-01">[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <soapenv:Header/>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <soapenv:Body>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <atie:rMSResponseData>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rmsMessage>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rmsStatus>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<device-id>A</device-id>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<meter-status>off</meter-status>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<last-update>2008-07-15
12:00:00</last-update>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rmsStatus>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<assocLDSid>A</assocLDSid>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-owning>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-id>A</organization-id>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-name>A</organization-name>[n]&quo
t;
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
</organization-owning>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rms-location>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<latitude>90000000</latitude>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<longitude>180000000</longitude>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rms-location>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<station-status>off</station-status>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<meter-rate>0</meter-rate>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rmsMessage>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </atie:rMSResponseData>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </soapenv:Body>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "</soapenv:Envelope>"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "POST / HTTP/1.1[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Content-Type:
text/xml;charset=UTF-8[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "SOAPAction: ""[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "User-Agent: Jakarta
Commons-HttpClient/3.0.1[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Content-Length: 947[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Host: dap3.dot.ca.gov:18080[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "[r][n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "<soapenv:Envelope
xmlns:soapenv="http:
//schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"
xmlns:atie="http://www.ATIE-00
-00-01">[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <soapenv:Header/>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <soapenv:Body>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <atie:rMSResponseData>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rmsMessage>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rmsStatus>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<device-id>A</device-id>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<meter-status>off</meter-status>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<last-update>2008-07-15
12:00:00</last-update>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rmsStatus>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<assocLDSid>A</assocLDSid>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-owning>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-id>A</organization-id>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<organization-name>A</organization-name>[n]&quo
t;
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
</organization-owning>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rms-location>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<latitude>90000000</latitude>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<longitude>180000000</longitude>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rms-location>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<station-status>off</station-status>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<meter-rate>0</meter-rate>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rmsMessage>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </atie:rMSResponseData>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </soapenv:Body>[n]"
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "</soapenv:Envelope>"
The soapUI log output shows that the server failed to
respond:
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008:ERROR:Exception in request:
org.apache.commons.httpclient.NoHttpResponseException: The
server
dap3.dot.ca.gov failed to respond
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008:ERROR:An error occured [The
server
dap3.dot.ca.gov failed to respond], see error log for
details
Tue Jul 15 15:55:11 EDT 2008:INFO:Error getting response
for
[atieSoapHttpServiceBinding.RMSData:RMSDataRequest];
org.apache.commons.httpclient.NoHttpResponseException: The
server
dap3.dot.ca.gov failed to respond
Regards,
Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
[mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On Behalf Of Adam
Sills
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:15 PM
To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to connect
to the remote server" exception
Out of curiosity, have you looked at the actual response
from the server
that you get back? Either using soapUI if it lets you see
the raw data, or
through a TCP trace tool. If you're filling the request up
with proper
values (if they're all enumerations then you likely are, but
if it's other
data types you may not be), the raw response might tell you
(or us) more
information.
Adam..
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
[mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Eddie
Lascu
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:03 PM
To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to connect to
the remote server" exception
Adam, John and Cristian,
Thanks for putting up with my lack of experience and giving
me very good
advice on how to make progress in my efforts to gain access
to that web
service. At this time I can see that the soapUI tool returns
a
NoHttpResponseException which is described in the apache
documentation as
being thrown when the server fails to respond with a valid
HTTP response.
I think I need to get someone from the technical side
involved, whoever that
may be.
Thanks again for your time.
Regards,
Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
[mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On Behalf Of Adam
Sills
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 7:02 PM
To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to connect
to the remote server" exception
That means you should put in one of the values of "off,
green, red, yellow,
flashing" in the <meter-status> element.
Repeat with all other "?" values until it works.
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
[mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Eddie
Lascu
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 6:00 PM
To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to connect to
the remote server" exception
The wsdl is 3kb and there are two XSD files referred. One is
17kb and one is
14kb. I can send them to you if you want.
Incidentally, here is how that meter-status element is
defined:
<xs:complexType name="RampMeterStatus">
<xs:sequence>
<xs:element name="device-id"
type="Device-identifier"/>
<xs:element name="meter-status"
type="Meter-status"/>
<xs:element name="last-update"
type="DateTimeZone"/>
</xs:sequence>
</xs:complexType>
// further down
<xs:simpleType name="Meter-status">
<xs:restriction base="xs:string">
<xs:enumeration
value="off"/>
<xs:enumeration
value="green"/>
<xs:enumeration
value="red"/>
<xs:enumeration
value="yellow"/>
<xs:enumeration
value="flashing"/>
</xs:restriction>
</xs:simpleType>
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
[mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On Behalf Of John
Warner
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 6:32 PM
To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to connect
to the remote server" exception
Importance: Low
You have a schema? Oh mercy we are almost in business here.
How large is
it?
John Warner
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
[mailto:ADVANCED-
> DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Eddie Lascu
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 6:32 PM
> To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to
> connect to the remote server" exception
>
> Oh, I see now. Well, the request is built by soapUI
based on the WSDL
file
> and the adjacent XSD files I was given. I do not create
that request.
> Anyway, looking further for what this "HTTP/1.1
500 Internal Server
Error"
> means I found the following paragraph in a document
describing the
default
> binding of SOAP onto HTTP.
>
> 6.3.4 HTTP 5xx Server Error
> If an error occurs while processing a SOAP HTTP
message, the SOAP HTTP
> server MUST issue an HTTP 500 "Internal Server
Error" response and
include
> a
> SOAP message in the response containing a SOAP fault
(see section 4.4)
> indicating the SOAP processing error.
>
> Wouldn't that suggest the problem is on the server
side? Or maybe my
request
> is wrong in which case I would think that the WSDL file
and the referred
XSD
> files I work with may not be up-to date. Could that be
a cause for the
> error?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
> [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On
Behalf Of
> Adam Sills
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 6:19 PM
> To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to
> connect
> to the remote server" exception
>
>
> That would be on the client side. From the log of the
XML you post to
the
> server:
>
>
<meter-status>?</meter-status>[r][n]"
>
> Perhaps "?" is not a valid value for
<meter-status>, which is what the
error
> message seems to indicate.
>
> Adam..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
> [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On
Behalf Of
> Eddie Lascu
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:16 PM
> To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to
> connect to
> the remote server" exception
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> That would be on the server side, right? Unfortunately
I do not have any
> control of the server side and I am told that
everything is "perfect"
there.
> Unless I can prove them otherwise, I have to continue
trying to access
it.
>
> Thanks,
> Eddie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
> [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On
Behalf Of
> Adam Sills
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 6:10 PM
> To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to
> connect
> to the remote server" exception
>
>
> Have you thought perhaps that your meter-status element
has an invalid
value
> put in it?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
> [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On
Behalf Of
> Eddie Lascu
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:01 PM
> To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to
> connect to
> the remote server" exception
>
> Hi John,
>
> I am not sure I understand what you are saying.
Basically, at this time,
I
> am working on two fronts in parallel. One is to try to
use the soapUI
and
> get a response back. That will prove that the web
service is running and
> there is no error returned by it when I invoke one of
its web methods.
The
> second front I trying to make progress is to do the
same thing from my
> Visual Studio project. In both cases I am using a
wireless connection to
the
> Internet that bypasses the proxy server, so this should
not be an issue.
>
> With soapUI I am somehow more advanced in that I have
introduced the
user
> name and the password for the request. The response
that I get back
seems to
> be generated by the server. If you are curios, here is
the output of the
> HTTP log window in soapUI:
>
>
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "POST / HTTP/1.1[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Content-Type:
> text/xml;charset=UTF-8[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "SOAPAction: ""[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "User-Agent: Jakarta
> Commons-HttpClient/3.0.1[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Host:
> dap3.dot.ca.gov:18080[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "Content-Length: 934[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "<soapenv:Envelope
> xmlns:soapenv="http:
//schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"
> xmlns:atie="http://www.ATIE-00
-00-01">[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <soapenv:Header/>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <soapenv:Body>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
> <atie:rMSResponseData>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rmsMessage>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " <rmsStatus>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
> <device-id>?</device-id>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
>
<meter-status>?</meter-status>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
> <last-update>?</last-update>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rmsStatus>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
> <assocLDSid>?</assocLDSid>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
> <organization-owning>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
>
<organization-id>?</organization-id>[r][n]&quo
t;
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
>
<organization-name>?</organization-name>[r][n]
"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
> </organization-owning>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
<rms-location>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
> <latitude>?</latitude>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
> <longitude>?</longitude>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
</rms-location>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
>
<station-status>?</station-status>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
> <meter-rate>?</meter-rate>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </rmsMessage>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "
> </atie:rMSResponseData>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> " </soapenv:Body>[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:>
;> "</soapenv:Envelope>"
>
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:<
;< "HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server
> Error[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:<
;< "Server: gSOAP/2.7[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:<
;< "Content-Type: text/xml;
> charset=utf-8[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:<
;< "Content-Length: 762[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:<
;< "Connection: close[r][n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:<
;< "<?xml version="1.0"
> encoding="UTF-8"?>[n]"
> Mon Jul 14 17:52:52 EDT 2008EBUG:<
;< "<SOAP-ENV:Envelope
> xmlns:SOAP-ENV="http:
//schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"
> xmlns:SOAP-ENC="http:
//schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/"
> xmlns si=&q
uot;http:
//www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
> xmlnssd=&q
uot;http://www.w3.
org/2001/XMLSchema"
> xmlns:tmdd="http://www.TMD
D-Partial-02-00-01"
> xmlns:ATMS="http://center-services/atieSoapHttpServiceBinding"
> xmlns:ATIE="http://www.ATIE-00-00-
01"
> xmlns:ClientDummy="http://center-
> services/clientSoapHttpServiceBinding"><SOA
>
P-ENV:Header></SOAP-ENV:Header><SOAP-ENV:Body>
;<SOAP-
> ENV:Fault><faultcode>SOA
>
P-ENV:Client</faultcode><faultstring>Validation
constraint violation:
data
> type mismatch in element
>
<meter-status></faultstring></SOAP-EN
V:Fault></SOAP-
> ENV:Body></SOAP-EN
> V:Envelope>"
>
> The server generates an internal error and closes the
connection. The
fault
> string that comes back is misleading, since it says
something about a
> validation constraint violation. I think it's a problem
with the server
> closing the connection right after receiving the
request.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Regards,
> Eddie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
> [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On
Behalf Of John
> Warner
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:46 PM
> To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service generates
"Unable to
> connect
> to the remote server" exception
> Importance: Low
>
>
> Have you actually just seen if the wsdl tool will
connect, you can do
> everything but write the file and see what return set
you get from the
> remote site. Your proxy may still not be right.
>
> John Warner
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
> > [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On
Behalf Of
> Eddie Lascu
> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:49 PM
> > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service
generates "Unable
> > to connect to the remote server" exception
> >
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > I followed your suggestion and built the SOAP
client using
> > the wsdl.exe tool. I specified the user name and
the password
> > among the parameters, but I don't see them in the
code of the
> > class that was created, unlike say the access
point. Needless
> > to say, the result is identical: "Connection
was unexpectedly
> > closed by the server". Do I need to add
something other
> > resource to the project? I checked the results of
the wsdl
> > command and there is only one ".cs" file
that got created. Am
> > I missing something?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eddie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
> > [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On
Behalf Of
> John Warner
> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:59 AM
> > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service
generates "Unable
> > to connect to the remote server" exception
> > Importance: Low
> >
> >
> > Open a command window and run wsdl from there and
you will
> > see a list of all the options. I'm thinking with
the user ID
> > you have and password that this tool can do the
job you need.
> > I'm blocked in experimenting of course as I do not
have the
> > credentials that you have been supplied with.
> >
> > John Warner
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
[mailto:ADVANCED-
> > > DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Eddie
Lascu
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:14 AM
> > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service
generates "Unable to
> > > connect to the remote server" exception
> > >
> > > So you mean when adding the Web Reference to
the project?
> > That's when
> > the
> > > proxy client is created based on the WSDL. I
do not recollect a step
> > where I
> > > would have to enter the user name and the
password.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
> > > [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On
Behalf Of
> John Warner
> > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:20 PM
> > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Service
generates "Unable to
> > > connect
> > > to the remote server" exception
> > > Importance: Low
> > >
> > >
> > > This will happen when wsdl creates a proxy
for you, some of the
> > > options include setting uids and pwds.
> > >
> > > John Warner
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Discussion of advanced .NET
topics. [mailto:ADVANCED-
> > > > DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On
Behalf Of Eddie Lascu
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:38 PM
> > > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web
Service generates "Unable to
> > > > connect to the remote server"
exception
> > > >
> > > > Incidentally, do you know what is the
equivalent in .NET
> > of setting
> > the
> > > user
> > > > name and the password among the
properties of the request? My web
> > > service
> > > > class is inherited from
SoapHttpClientProtocol and I don't see it
> > having
> > > a
> > > > request method or property that would
allow me to set these two
> > > parameters.
> > > > The only thing that remotely looks like
that is the Credentials
> > property
> > > of
> > > > the SoapHttpClientProtocol class.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Discussion of advanced .NET
topics.
> > > > [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On Behalf Of
> > Eddie Lascu
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:33 PM
> > > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web
Service generates "Unable to
> > > > connect
> > > > to the remote server" exception
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > It's a long story. The guy who developed
the ws is no
> > longer under
> > > > the payroll of the client and because of
that I am not allowed to
> > > > contact
> > > him
> > > > (they are afraid that the developer will
start billing the time
> > > > spent
> > > with
> > > > me). On the other hand, the client
doesn't have any other
> > technical
> > > person
> > > > to look after the web service and they
claim that
> > everything is up
> > > > and running from their perspective. Now
it's my job to
> > piece things
> > together
> > > > without much assistance from the other
end.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I made some progress. Not being
too familiar with
> > the soapUI
> > > tool (I
> > > > just installed it today) I didn't notice
that fact that I can set
> > > > the
> > > user
> > > > name and the password among the request
properties. Once
> > I have done
> > > that,
> > > > the response was no longer missing. Now
I get this response:
> > > >
> > > > <SOAP-ENV:Body>
> > > > <SOAP-ENV:Fault>
> > > >
<faultcode>SOAP-ENV:Client</faultcode>
> > > > <faultstring>Validation
constraint violation: data type
> > > mismatch
> > > > in element
<dms-sign-type></faultstring>
> > > > </SOAP-ENV:Fault>
> > > > </SOAP-ENV:Body>
> > > >
> > > > I wonder whether this is generated by
the server (for
> > Cristian - you
> > > were
> > > > right, the web service was developed in
Java and is hosted by a
> > > gSOAP/2.7
> > > > server) or there is something wrong with
my request.
> > > >
> > > > I'll dig some more.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Eddie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Discussion of advanced .NET
topics.
> > > > [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On Behalf Of
> > > John
> > > > Warner
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:05 PM
> > > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web
Service generates "Unable to
> > > > connect to the remote server"
exception
> > > > Importance: Low
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What do the people on the other side of
this have to say?
> > > >
> > > > John Warner
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Discussion of advanced .NET
topics. [mailto:ADVANCED-
> > > > > DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On
Behalf Of Eddie Lascu
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:05
PM
> > > > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web
Service generates "Unable
> to
> > > > > connect to the remote server"
exception
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > >
> > > > > I already installed the soapUI
2.0.2 tool. When I use
> > it to invoke
> > the
> > > > web
> > > > > method I get no response. I am not
prompted to enter
> > the user name
> > and
> > > > > password.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your suggestion,
> > > > > Eddie
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Discussion of advanced .NET
topics.
> > > > > [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On Behalf
> Of
> > > > John
> > > > > Warner
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 6:39
PM
> > > > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web
Service generates "Unable
> to
> > > > > connect to the remote server"
exception
> > > > > Importance: Low
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Have a look at this:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com/en/asmxandxml/thr
ead/5c70e2a2
> > -9f1b-4338-
> > > > > b
> > > > > 96b-c32403744d2a/
> > > > >
> > > > > John Warner
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Discussion of advanced
.NET topics. [mailto:ADVANCED-
> > > > > > DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On
Behalf Of Cristian Sturek
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008
6:30 PM
> > > > > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET]
Web Service generates
> > "Unable to
> > > > > > connect to the remote
server" exception
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eddie,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On (1), you are absolutely
correct. The reason why you can
> > > > > > "see"
> > > > > anything
> > > > > > while browsing with IE when
hitting any of my Web Services is
> > > because
> > > > of
> > > > > how
> > > > > > IIS "interprets"
ASMX files out of the box. Apache
> > and the rest
> > are
> > > > not
> > > > > > that friendly. The response
you're getting back, however, is
> > > correct
> > > > -
> > > > > if
> > > > > > that address is an Access
Point (which, BTW, it can
> > definitely
> > > > > > be,
> > > all
> > > > I
> > > > > > need to do is setup a Web
Service under root and make the
> > > > > > default
> > > page
> > > > > the
> > > > > > ASMX file), then GETs are not
supported, it's
> > expecting a POST.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry, I can't help out much
on (2). It's been a
> > while since I
> > > wrote
> > > > > code.
> > > > > > Can you find out more about
the Web Service? Just my $0.02,
> > > > > > it's
> > > > > probably
> > > > > > an Access Point created
automatically by an ESB. Perhaps the
> > > > > credentials
> > > > > > are expected as SOAP Headers,
but then the error
> > message would
> > > > > > be different. When you browsed
with IE, did it prompt you for
> > > > > > credentials?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cristian Sturek
> > > > > > Principal SOA Architect
> > > > > > http://www.xwebservices.c
om
> > > > > > http://www.soahub.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Discussion of advanced
.NET topics.
> > > > > > [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > > Eddie Lascu
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008
11:18 AM
> > > > > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET]
Web Service generates
> > "Unable to
> > > > > > connect to the remote
server" exception
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cristian, Joel et al,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I made some progress in that I
have tried a few things:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - I switched on to the
wireless network that bypasses the
> > > > > > firewall
> > > and
> > > > > now I
> > > > > > don't get the "Unable to
connect to the remote server" error.
> > > Instead
> > > > I
> > > > > get
> > > > > > a new one that says: "The
underlying connection was
> > closed: The
> > > > > connection
> > > > > > was closed
unexpectedly.";
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - If I point my IE browser to
the
> > > > > > "http://dap3.dot.c
a.gov:18080/"
> > > URL
> > > > I
> > > > > get
> > > > > > some kind of SOAP response
that indicates a SOAP-ENV:Client
> > > > > > fault
> > > with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > error string being "HTTP
GET method not implemented"
> > (BTW, could
> > > this
> > > > be
> > > > > a
> > > > > > valid access point for a web
service?);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This raises two issues:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. The IE browser may not be
the best tool to look at the web
> > > service;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. My VS2005 connection is
closed because I do not provide the
> > user
> > > > > > name/password I was given. I
tried to write something
> > like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CredentialCache myCache =
new CredentialCache();
> > > > > > myCache.Add(new Uri("http://dap3.dot.ca.gov/
"),
> > "Basic", new
> > > > > >
NetworkCredential("myusername",
"mypassword"));
> > > > > > objMyWebService.Credentials
= myCache;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That didn't make any
difference. Can you guys comment on my
> > > approach?
> > > > > Do
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > suspect that this is the
problem?
> > > > > > Obviously, there are some
security features
> > implemented in this
> > web
> > > > > service
> > > > > > and I don't think I get them
right in my code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your help will be highly
appreciated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Eddie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Discussion of advanced
.NET topics.
> > > > > > [mailto:ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On
> Behalf Of
> > > > > Joel
> > > > > > Paula
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008
9:25 AM
> > > > > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNETDISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET]
Web Service generates
> > "Unable to
> > > > > > connect to the remote
server" exception
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eddie,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sometimes the URL in the WSDL
for the webservice is
> > not the real
> > > one,
> > > > > for
> > > > > > security (?!) reasons. You can
check it on your app.config or
> > > directly
> > > > > in
> > > > > > code, accessing its Url
property. You can change it
> > using any of
> > the
> > > > two
> > > > > > methods.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > JP
> > > > > >
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