arnica cream vs pills

Hi,

Arnica cream and massage oils help with bruising, muscle 
soreness/stiffness and are applied externally, though not on
broken 
skin. They speed up the circulation where the 
stiffness/soreness/bruising occurred; thereby speeding
healing. The 
scent of Arnica isn't bad; I like it, and of course with
massage 
it's also relaxing. Arnica in any form is still an herb -
with a 
massage oil, it will usually be found in Almond Oil; with a
cream, 
usually some type of oil base - then made into a cream,
which works 
just as well.
The pills work internally, and they speed up circulation in
general. 
If you're using Arnica for localized bruising or stiffness,
I'd 
stick with the cream or oil. If you're looking to speed up 
circulation in general, then it seems the pills would be the
way to 
go.
I've never used the pills but I really like the massage
oil. 
I "have" heard of people taking the pills
before, during and after a 
long plane flight for jet-lag, with good results, but they
have to 
take quite a few of them.
The only kind of any allergic reaction I've heard of is a
red rash, 
which goes away when you distcontinue use. Hope that helps
some 

Marilyn








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Hello everyone,

I just signed on yesterday, and came across this very
interesting info about
arnica - which is something I'm wondering about these days.
Thanks for the
info from both folks here - great stuff!

I wonder if you could talk a bit more about whether or not
you find anica
useful for "old" injuries that don't really
involve bruising any longer? I
have an elbow and forearm which gets a bit sore at times.
The forearm seems to
be fascia and tendon related (repetitive motion injury), and
some of all of
the elbow pain may be related to that, as well (since they
tend to get sore at
the same times). 

I used some arnica gel (but nothing else) on them both the
other day, and got
several hours of relief. Is this something I could use long
term to help
actually HEAL this old injury, or is this just relieving
some of the pain and
related issues of the day? Obviously I'm wanting to
actually heal what I can,
rather than just "bandaid" it -- but if
"bandaid" is the best I can get at
this point, I'd like the "bandaid" to be the
most helpful and least harmful!

Thanks for your thoughts!

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I like the arnica gel best.  It absorbs and isn't greasy. 
When my 
friend dislocated her knee I directly put arnica gel on it
and 
although she had to have her leg in a cast for most of the
summer, 
the doctors were amazed that it had no swelling or bruising
despite 
the bad condition.  Works awesome for anything that would
normally 
swell or bruise.  Traumeel homeopathic remedy is also good
for 
that.  It comes in many forms, for internal and external use
for any 
injuries. 

Sharon



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> HI!
> A friend had a question about the use of arnica
cream....   when 
is it best 
> to use this?  Also, what is the difference between the
pills and 
cream.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>








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Hi Jent,

I would use these homeopathic remedies for an old injury
like that:  
Arnica, Rhus Tox (for nerve pain/damage) and Mag Phos for
pain in the 
extremities. These are the ones I have used for an old
shoulder injury I 
had and they worked extremely well.

Go to http://abchomeopathy.com/ to learn more about homeopathy and these 
remedies in particular to make sure they are the right ones
for you.  It 
won't "hurt" you if you take the wrong remedy
but you won't get the 
results you are going for.

Remember that when taking homeopathic remedies you *must*
avoid coffee, 
mint and other strong flavors.  For instance, it will do no
good to take 
your remedy and then go brush your teeth and use strong
mouthwash... to 
do so will antidote the remedy and make it ineffective. So
make sure you 
have clean/dry mouth (no drink, food or cigs) 15-30 minutes
before 
taking a remedy and for 15-30 minutes after.

Personally, coffee antidotes ALL my homeopathy no matter how
long it was 
since I took the remedy.  I found that out the hard way too.
 I had 
given up all coffee (and caffeine) years and years ago and
had been 
doing really really great as far as controlling my FMS pain
and symptoms 
- I was practically symptom free for months on end using
nothing more 
than those 3 remedies I mentioned and the arnica gel. Then
one morning I 
ate at the local truck stop... and what does one eat at a
truck stop but 
biscuits with gravy and a big cup of coffee?  lol...  I
thought "oh one 
cup isn't gonna kill me" so I gave into the craving
and had the coffee.  
It tasted sooooo good!!!  But within 2-3 days, ALL my aches
and pains 
and sciatica and fibro-flares returned and I had to start
over with my 
remedies.  I don't care how yummy that coffee was, it
certainly wasn't 
worth the constant all-over pain. 

So to sum that up, personally I have found that coffee - no
matter if 
taken at different times of the day than the remedy or not -
will 
antidote homeopathy and therefore should be avoided at all
times.  I 
don't know anyone that has treated a chronic condition
homeopathically 
that got better while they were still consuming coffee on a
daily 
basis.  Coffee is an addictive drug and really should be
eliminated from 
the diet if one is seeking healing.

I'm not sure if it was on this list or not but I recently
saw a comment 
that one should remove all wheat from the diet *before*
starting 
homeopathic treatments.  I disagree.  I haven't ever seen
any mention of 
that in of my text books or online studies.  I have had
positively 
incredible results from homeopathy but have never even tried
to 
eliminate the wheat in my diet.  Unless you have an celiac
dis-ease or 
an actual allergy or intolerance to wheat, it's inclusion
in your diet 
shouldn't affect whether homeopathy works for you or not. 
Coffee most 
definitely will, but wheat?  No, I seriously doubt it.  (If
anyone here 
does have an intolerance to wheat, see a homeopathic doctor
or go the 
site I mentioned and find the remedy for you symptoms.)

Oh yea, another thing I did for my shoulder was deep muscle
body work in 
combination with Reiki and aromatherapy.  I went into that
session with 
the intention of releasing that old injury and pain and to
remove the 
memory of it from my muscles.  And it worked - after
suffering with that 
pain for 20 years, it is completely gone now and I consider
the area 
healed.  What area are you located?  If you don't know a
good massage 
therapist I may be able to hook you up with on - depending
on where you 
are of course.  

Hope this helps.  Please let us know what you end up trying
and how it 
works for you.

Peace,

Mouse


Jent Lynne wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>
>I just signed on yesterday, and came across this very
interesting info about arnica - which is something I'm
wondering about these days. Thanks for the info from both
folks here - great stuff!
>
>I wonder if you could talk a bit more about whether or
not you find anica useful for "old" injuries
that don't really involve bruising any longer? I have an
elbow and forearm which gets a bit sore at times. The
forearm seems to be fascia and tendon related (repetitive
motion injury), and some of all of the elbow pain may be
related to that, as well (since they tend to get sore at the
same times). 
>
>I used some arnica gel (but nothing else) on them both
the other day, and got several hours of relief. Is this
something I could use long term to help actually HEAL this
old injury, or is this just relieving some of the pain and
related issues of the day? Obviously I'm wanting to
actually heal what I can, rather than just
"bandaid" it -- but if "bandaid" is
the best I can get at this point, I'd like the
"bandaid" to be the most helpful and least
harmful!
>
>Thanks for your thoughts!
>
>Jent
>
>"The only thing that interferes with my learning
is my education." -Albert Einstein
>
>_
>





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Hi Jent,

Glad to hear the Arnica helped; it tends to with
soreness/stiffnes; 
but it is a bandaid.......not a cure. 
There are some things to watch out for though with arnica; 
ointments, gels, massage oils and creams containing 5%-25%
of 
tincture or extract are applied topically, following the
directions 
on whichever you have. The problem with using any of these
long-term 
is that there are a couple of side effects that you could
develop. 
They're exema, rash or edema. If any of these occur, the
arnica 
should be discontinued. I have the massage oil, but it's
'very' 
diluted and have never had any problems with it, though I
don't use 
it often.
But it is OK for short term use or every now and then.  Kind of a 
bandaid!
Since arnica tends to help with stiffness/swelling - maybe
you have 
some localized inflammation that you're not aware of? -
there's an 
esential oil out there that's been used in Thailand for
many years, 
called Plai, and if diluted 10% in a carrier oil or even a
cream or 
some shea butter - then massaged into where you need it,
it's been 
known to eleviate pain for about 18 hours (and that's with
surgery!)
I've been putting off a hip replacement (injury related as
well) for 
going on 7 years now, and Plai is what I use; it's safe and
there's 
been quite a bit of testing on it. Take care and hope
you're not 
sore today. Forgot to ask, is the soreness at all
weather-change 
related?

Marilyn
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> Hello everyone,
> 
> I just signed on yesterday, and came across this very
interesting 
info about
> arnica - which is something I'm wondering about these
days. Thanks 
for the
> info from both folks here - great stuff!
 Is this something I could use long term to help
> actually HEAL this old injury, or is this just
relieving some of 
the pain and
> related issues of the day? > Thanks for your
thoughts!
> 
> Jent









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--- wildmouse <wildmouseiquest.net> wrote:
> I would use these homeopathic remedies for an old
injury like that:  
> Arnica, Rhus Tox (for nerve pain/damage) and Mag Phos
for pain in the 
> extremities. These are the ones I have used for an old
shoulder injury I 
> had and they worked extremely well.

I will give them a try - thanks!

> Go to http://abchomeopathy.com/ to learn more about homeopathy and these 

Thanks for this link - I'll check it out later today. 

> Remember that when taking homeopathic remedies you
*must* avoid coffee, 
> mint and other strong flavors.  For instance, it will
do no good to take 

I remember learning that years ago - thanks for the
reminder, because I had
forgotten! 

> since I took the remedy.  I found that out the hard way
too.  I had 
> given up all coffee (and caffeine) years and years ago
and had been 

How did you quit caffeine? I've found that in my 20s and
30s, I had nothing
more than a bit of a headache for a few days when I quit
caffeine. But since
having years of chronic fatigue/etc, I find myself even more
dependent on
caffeine to get me going in the morning: when I don't have
it, I really drag
(I usually drag, but I mean REALLY drag 

I've tried cutting back a bit each day, but I fail after a
day or so. Perhaps
I just need more determination...

> Oh yea, another thing I did for my shoulder was deep
muscle body work in 
> combination with Reiki and aromatherapy.  I went into
that session with 
> the intention of releasing that old injury and pain and
to remove the 
> memory of it from my muscles.  And it worked - after
suffering with that 
> pain for 20 years, it is completely gone now and I
consider the area 

I've gotten an amazing amount of healing from this book:
"The Trigger Point
Therapy Workbook: Your Self-Treatment Guide for Pain Relief
(Second Edition)"
by Clair Davies (Here's an amazon link to read more -
though I got mine first
from the public library before buying after it worked for
me:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1572243759/sr=8-1/qid=11
43475061/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-8228650-4434200?%5Fencoding=UTF8

I was able to get rid of every muscle-related problem in my
body, except for
the elbow thing. And it cost me only a few bucks for the
book and a tennis
ball, and my time 

> healed.  What area are you located?  If you don't know
a good massage 
> therapist I may be able to hook you up with on -
depending on where you 
> are of course.  

I'm in Portland, Oregon. 

> Hope this helps.  Please let us know what you end up
trying and how it 
> works for you.

Thanks Mouse! 

Jent

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