Re: Re: Environment variables missing from httpd 2.2 installation

On 9/26/07, Neville Hillyer <n.hillyeropen.ac.uk> wrote:
> At 03:11 -0500 26/09/2007, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> >There are ways using mod_env to provide other
values you desire
> >withouta blanket gap in security.
>
> The value I "desire" is PAGE_COUNT and I
would be grateful if you
> could tell me how to obtain it without scripts or third
party
> modules. Prior to Apache's dominance this was provided
as a user
> option by many web servers.

Wow, you're still going on about that one.

We discussed this issue back in April. The "many web
servers" that
offered this feature seems to be a set of one: Quid Pro Quo
for Mac
(mid-90s, pre-OS-X). There may be others, but they don't
turn up in
any basic search.

I already outlined why this kind of feature is a bad idea in
the first
place. It doesn't provide useful information but has
significant
performance implications for a busy server.

Finally, apache is designed as a modular and extensible
server. If you
don't want to use any third-party modules or add-ons, you
have only
yourself to blame for missing features.

Joshua.

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Joshua

I had not forgotten you dismissive attitude to this subject.
I may 
not have raised it here again except:

1	The wording of the message I replied to appeared to invite

such a reply.

2	Despite many attempts over several months I have failed to

get this facility working on the Apache supplied with, and
somewhat 
embedded in, my new Xserve. Apple have not yet moved to
Apache 2 and 
the third party module for Apache 1 is no longer being
supported. I 
was going to manually upgrade to Apache 2 and accept the
loss of the 
useful Apple interface when other work pushed this aside.
Since the 
release of OS X Server 10.5 is imminent I will wait and see
if it 
includes Apache 2.

I am afraid you are very much mistaken about how widely
PAGE_COUNT 
was supported not so many years ago.

I also question your implication that it would affect
performance 
even if not switched on. I can see no harm in providing this
as part 
of Apache with whatever warning you wish about performance
if it is 
activated.

 From memory the list of default Apache environmental
variables is so 
short that it would do little harm for Apache to extend it
to meet 
the needs of customers. Many of these would have virtually
no 
performance implications and other could come with a
warning.

 From the way that you dismiss some writing to this list I
am not 
surprised that few have the courage to make such points.

Neville


At 11:12 -0400 26/09/2007, Joshua Slive wrote:
>On 9/26/07, Neville Hillyer <n.hillyeropen.ac.uk> wrote:
>>  At 03:11 -0500 26/09/2007, William A. Rowe, Jr.
wrote:
>>  >There are ways using mod_env to provide other
values you desire
>>  >withouta blanket gap in security.
>>
>>  The value I "desire" is PAGE_COUNT and I
would be grateful if you
>>  could tell me how to obtain it without scripts or
third party
>>  modules. Prior to Apache's dominance this was
provided as a user
>>  option by many web servers.
>
>Wow, you're still going on about that one.
>
>We discussed this issue back in April. The "many
web servers" that
>offered this feature seems to be a set of one: Quid Pro
Quo for Mac
>(mid-90s, pre-OS-X). There may be others, but they don't
turn up in
>any basic search.
>
>I already outlined why this kind of feature is a bad
idea in the first
>place. It doesn't provide useful information but has
significant
>performance implications for a busy server.
>
>Finally, apache is designed as a modular and extensible
server. If you
>don't want to use any third-party modules or add-ons,
you have only
>yourself to blame for missing features.
>
>Joshua.


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