Xopus integration code

Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>> Michael Wechner wrote:
>>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>>> Michael Wechner wrote:
>>>>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Lenya devs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there are various Xopus-related
files in the core.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does someone know if they can be
used out of the box?
>>>>>
>>>>> what do you mean by out of the box?
>>>>
>>>> I meant if it needs more than
configuration.
>>>
>>> no, just (local.)build.properties
>>>>
>>>>> One needs to configure Xopus dir within
(local.)build.properties 
>>>>> and that's it
>>>>
>>>> Do you know if this still works in 1.4?
>>>
>>> I hope , but
haven't tested it recently
>>
>> i don't like having hooks for a commercial product
that is not used by 
>> the majority of the community in so many places in
the core.
>>
>> i know that it's a legacy, and i certainly don't
want to be unfriendly 
>> towards commercial add-ons, but those things should
either be totally 
>> self-contained or removed. so votes++ for moving
all xopus-related 
>> stufff into a module (and since no one seems to use
it, the state of 
>> xopus support would stay constant at
"untested" :-D)
> 
> I wouldn't like to remove it, the Xopus integration is
very valuable
> for the IE world.  IMO the best way would be to move it
to a module
> and test it, at least with the evaluation version of
Xopus. But I
> don't know if I find the time - any volunteers?

if it's used, somebody who needs it (or whose clients need
it) should 
holler now and wrap it up into a module.
but unmaintained code should not be allowed to stay in the
core for 
longer than a grace period for very small values of grace.




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Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:

> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
>> Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Wechner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Michael Wechner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Lenya devs,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there are various Xopus-related
files in the core.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does someone know if they can
be used out of the box?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what do you mean by out of the box?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I meant if it needs more than
configuration.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no, just (local.)build.properties
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> One needs to configure Xopus dir
within (local.)build.properties 
>>>>>> and that's it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know if this still works in 1.4?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope , but
haven't tested it recently
>>>
>>>
>>> i don't like having hooks for a commercial
product that is not used 
>>> by the majority of the community in so many
places in the core.
>>>
>>> i know that it's a legacy, and i certainly
don't want to be 
>>> unfriendly towards commercial add-ons, but
those things should 
>>> either be totally self-contained or removed. so
votes++ for moving 
>>> all xopus-related stufff into a module (and
since no one seems to 
>>> use it, the state of xopus support would stay
constant at "untested" 
>>> :-D)
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't like to remove it, the Xopus
integration is very valuable
>> for the IE world.  IMO the best way would be to
move it to a module
>> and test it, at least with the evaluation version
of Xopus. But I
>> don't know if I find the time - any volunteers?
>
>
> if it's used, somebody who needs it (or whose clients
need it) should 
> holler now and wrap it up into a module.


please give people a chance to find the time to this stuff.

> but unmaintained code should not be allowed to stay in
the core for 
> longer than a grace period for very small values of
grace.


I would assume the code to be working, because it works
nicely within 
Lenya 1.2,
but maybe Lenya 1.4 broke it.

I think people (developers) on this list really need to be a
bit more 
patient.
If one is changing something, then on cannot expect that
everyone else 
is jumping to his/her feet immediately and fixes everything
else. This 
behaviour
will quickly destroy this community.

Please note that I am not argueing to keep things as they
are, but I am
talking about how one handles changes. This is a huge
difference and a 
very crucial one.

Michi

>
>
>
>


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Michael Wechner wrote:

>>> I wouldn't like to remove it, the Xopus
integration is very valuable
>>> for the IE world.  IMO the best way would be to
move it to a module
>>> and test it, at least with the evaluation
version of Xopus. But I
>>> don't know if I find the time - any
volunteers?
>>
>>
>> if it's used, somebody who needs it (or whose
clients need it) should 
>> holler now and wrap it up into a module.
> 
> 
> please give people a chance to find the time to this
stuff.

sure.

>> but unmaintained code should not be allowed to stay
in the core for 
>> longer than a grace period for very small values of
grace.
> 
> 
> I would assume the code to be working, because it works
nicely within 
> Lenya 1.2,
> but maybe Lenya 1.4 broke it.

then somebody who is interested in it should test and fix
it.

> I think people (developers) on this list really need to
be a bit more 
> patient.
> If one is changing something, then on cannot expect
that everyone else 
> is jumping to his/her feet immediately and fixes
everything else. This 
> behaviour
> will quickly destroy this community.
> 
> Please note that I am not argueing to keep things as
they are, but I am
> talking about how one handles changes. This is a huge
difference and a 
> very crucial one.

agreed.

but i'd like to say i love the momentum that we currently
have, and it's 
sweeping me along :.-D

once 1.4 is out, i'm sure we will win a couple of new
eyeballs to share 
the workload.

for now i'm content with the intent of moving it into a
module. legacy 
code is ok when you know it's on the to-do list, and you
won't have do 
grow old being annoyed about it...


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Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:

>>
>>
>> Please note that I am not argueing to keep things
as they are, but I am
>> talking about how one handles changes. This is a
huge difference and 
>> a very crucial one.
>
>
> agreed.
>
> but i'd like to say i love the momentum that we
currently have, and 
> it's sweeping me along :.-D


I think your enthusiasm is great and your help and comments
are very 
much appreciated, but please be aware you are not the only
one and 
enthusiasm
is normally no long-term strategy

>
> once 1.4 is out, i'm sure we will win a couple of new
eyeballs to 
> share the workload.


I hope so, but getting new people shouldn't depend on a
release ...

>
> for now i'm content with the intent of moving it into
a module. legacy 
> code is ok when you know it's on the to-do list, and
you won't have do 
> grow old being annoyed about it...
>
just because a fly sitting on your leg might be annoying
should not 
distract you
from actually scoring a goal.

Michi


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