Installation instructions

Hi Lenya devs,

when we release, the installation instructions in the
distribution 
(INSTALL-BIN.txt, INSTALL-SRC.txt) and the installation docs
on the 
website should be up to date.

Can anyone confirm that these instructions have been
tested?

BTW, shall we release a binary version at all?

-- Andreas


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Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Hi Lenya devs,
> 
> when we release, the installation instructions in the
distribution
> (INSTALL-BIN.txt, INSTALL-SRC.txt) and the installation
docs on the
> website should be up to date.
> 
> Can anyone confirm that these instructions have been
tested?

i've reviewed them, and they are up-to-date. i've checked in
a few minor
updates. the instructions now assume that our release will
be named
lenya-2.0-src.tar.gz. if we want to offer a ZIP archive as
well, someone
should add a line or two..

> BTW, shall we release a binary version at all?

i don't think that's necessary. in my past java experience,
i haven't
found it any easier to install precompiled applications -
others may
disagree, though.

(honestly, i don't even think serious lenya users should use
anything
other than svn, but others have emphasized that a tarball is
important
to keep the entrance barrier low, which is an important
point).


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Am 07.01.2008 um 17:24 schrieb Joern Nettingsmeier:
>
>
>> BTW, shall we release a binary version at all?
>
>

yes, I think so.

Anything lowering the (rather high) entrance barrier is
important -  
not everyone is a knowledgeable user at the beginning but
getting an  
easy start without having to install another piece of
software could  
trigger interest.


Jürgen


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Juergen Ragaller wrote:
>
> Am 07.01.2008 um 17:24 schrieb Joern Nettingsmeier:
>>
>>
>>> BTW, shall we release a binary version at all?
>>
>>
>
> yes, I think so.
>
> Anything lowering the (rather high) entrance barrier is
important - 
> not everyone is a knowledgeable user at the beginning
but getting an 
> easy start without having to install another piece of
software could 
> trigger interest.
>
>
> Jürgen
I agree. We had a discussion about this in the past and we
decided that 
a binary was good to have.

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Richard Frovarp wrote:
> Juergen Ragaller wrote:
>>>> BTW, shall we release a binary version at
all?
>>
>> yes, I think so.
>>
>> Anything lowering the (rather high) entrance
barrier is important -
>> not everyone is a knowledgeable user at the
beginning but getting an
>> easy start without having to install another piece
of software could
>> trigger interest.
>>
> I agree. We had a discussion about this in the past and
we decided that
> a binary was good to have.

ok, so what should the binary distro look like? it's not
like we can
have an .exe file, right? so should we just package up the
build/ tree
together with a start script, or create a .war, or something
entirely
different?



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Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> Richard Frovarp wrote:
>   
>> Juergen Ragaller wrote:
>>     
>>>>> BTW, shall we release a binary version
at all?
>>>>>           
>>> yes, I think so.
>>>
>>> Anything lowering the (rather high) entrance
barrier is important -
>>> not everyone is a knowledgeable user at the
beginning but getting an
>>> easy start without having to install another
piece of software could
>>> trigger interest.
>>>
>>>       
>> I agree. We had a discussion about this in the past
and we decided that
>> a binary was good to have.
>>     
>
> ok, so what should the binary distro look like? it's
not like we can
> have an .exe file, right? so should we just package up
the build/ tree
> together with a start script, or create a .war, or
something entirely
> different?
>
>
>
>   
I would just say everything need to run, which is a bit more
the build I 
think. Plus then a start script. A war would require them to
have a 
running application server. They should be able to download
and run 
lenya.sh or lenya.bat and have a chance to see the default
publication.

I was going to go look to see what the cocoon people are
doing. They 
aren't doing binaries.

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ON MON, 2008-01-07 AT 16:22 -0600, RICHARD FROVARP WROTE:
> JöRN NETTINGSMEIER WROTE:
> > RICHARD FROVARP WROTE:
> >   
> >> JUERGEN RAGALLER WROTE:
> >>     
> >>>>> BTW, SHALL WE RELEASE A BINARY
VERSION AT ALL?
> >>>>>           
> >>> YES, I THINK SO.
> >>>
> >>> ANYTHING LOWERING THE (RATHER HIGH)
ENTRANCE BARRIER IS IMPORTANT -
> >>> NOT EVERYONE IS A KNOWLEDGEABLE USER AT
THE BEGINNING BUT GETTING AN
> >>> EASY START WITHOUT HAVING TO INSTALL
ANOTHER PIECE OF SOFTWARE COULD
> >>> TRIGGER INTEREST.
> >>>
> >>>       
> >> I AGREE. WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS IN THE
PAST AND WE DECIDED THAT
> >> A BINARY WAS GOOD TO HAVE.
> >>     
> >
> > OK, SO WHAT SHOULD THE BINARY DISTRO LOOK LIKE?
IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN
> > HAVE AN .EXE FILE, RIGHT? SO SHOULD WE JUST
PACKAGE UP THE BUILD/ TREE
> > TOGETHER WITH A START SCRIPT, OR CREATE A .WAR, OR
SOMETHING ENTIRELY
> > DIFFERENT?
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> I WOULD JUST SAY EVERYTHING NEED TO RUN, WHICH IS A BIT
MORE THE BUILD I 
> THINK. PLUS THEN A START SCRIPT. A WAR WOULD REQUIRE
THEM TO HAVE A 
> RUNNING APPLICATION SERVER. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO
DOWNLOAD AND RUN 
> LENYA.SH OR LENYA.BAT AND HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THE
DEFAULT PUBLICATION.
> 

ACTUALLY WE WOULD NEED SOMETHING LIKE
HTTP://LENYA.APACHE.ORG/DOCS/1_2_X/INSTALLATION/INDEX.HTML

MEANING:
* LENYA 2.0 WINDOWS BINARY (WINDOWS INSTALLER) ASC SIGNATURE
MD5
CHECKSUM
* LENYA 2.0 WINDOWS BINARY (ZIP ARCHIVE) ASC SIGNATURE MD5
CHECKSUM
* LENYA 2.0 WINDOWS SOURCE CODE (ZIP ARCHIVE) ASC SIGNATURE
MD5 CHECKSUM
* LENYA 2.0 UNIX BINARY (TAR.GZ ARCHIVE) ASC SIGNATURE MD5
CHECKSUM
* LENYA 2.0 UNIX SOURCE CODE (TAR.GZ ARCHIVE) ASC SIGNATURE
MD5 CHECKSUM

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Hi!

Am 08.01.2008 um 11:22 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:

> Juergen Ragaller schrieb:
>> Am 07.01.2008 um 17:24 schrieb Joern
Nettingsmeier:
>>>
>>>
>>>> BTW, shall we release a binary version at
all?
>>>
>>>
>> yes, I think so.
>> Anything lowering the (rather high) entrance
barrier is important -  
>> not everyone is a knowledgeable user at the
beginning but getting  
>> an easy start without having to install another
piece of software  
>> could trigger interest.
>
> The problem I see is that the user certainly expects to
get a  
> completely usable product when downloading the
binaries. With Lenya,  
> this is not the case - you just get a little showcase
application,  
> but can't do any serious work with it. As soon as you
want to  
> develop your own publication, you need the source
version.
>
> IMO we should create a roadmap to overcome this issue:
>
> 1. Release only the source version for the moment
>
> 2. Re-design our build process to allow deploying
pubs+modules in the
>   binary version, i.e. separate the Lenya compilation
process from the
>   pub/module deployment process


Thanks for clarifying - your explanation is convincing.

+1 to release a source version for 2.0 and the roadmap You
proposed as  
a build enhancement.
Maybe the description you just gave (to fully hand over the
module  
framework in all it's flexibility to the user) could serve
as an  
explanation why lenya does not ship a binary for 2.0 - on
the download  
page.



I wish you "en Guete"

Jürgen




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Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Juergen Ragaller schrieb:
>>
>> Am 07.01.2008 um 17:24 schrieb Joern
Nettingsmeier:
>>>
>>>
>>>> BTW, shall we release a binary version at
all?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> yes, I think so.
>>
>> Anything lowering the (rather high) entrance
barrier is important - 
>> not everyone is a knowledgeable user at the
beginning but getting an 
>> easy start without having to install another piece
of software could 
>> trigger interest.
>
> The problem I see is that the user certainly expects to
get a 
> completely usable product when downloading the
binaries. With Lenya, 
> this is not the case - you just get a little showcase
application, but 
> can't do any serious work with it. As soon as you want
to develop your 
> own publication, you need the source version.
>
>
I don't need the source version to run my publications.
Granted they 
aren't anything fancy, but you can create a decent site
without the 
source. A binary allows someone interested the opportunity
to download 
and run quickly. However, if we are working towards a binary
release, 
that sounds good to me.

Richard

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