IRC session: Managing our website with Lenya

Hi Lenya devs,

maybe you noticed that I have started some prototyping to
port our 
website to Lenya 2.0 (http://lenya
.zones.apache.org:9999/docu/). Though 
I made some progress, there are some open issues, mainly of

administrative nature.

Thorsten suggested that we do an IRC session on this topic.
IMO this is 
a very good idea. If you're interested in participating,
please suggest 
a time.

For me, every day+time is fine except the weekends and Jan.
10 and 22.

-- Andreas


-- 
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BeCompany GmbH
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Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Hi Lenya devs,
> 
> maybe you noticed that I have started some prototyping
to port our
> website to Lenya 2.0 (http://lenya
.zones.apache.org:9999/docu/). Though
> I made some progress, there are some open issues,
mainly of
> administrative nature.
> 
> Thorsten suggested that we do an IRC session on this
topic. IMO this is
> a very good idea. If you're interested in
participating, please suggest
> a time.
> 
> For me, every day+time is fine except the weekends and
Jan. 10 and 22.

i could join next week tue-wed or fri-sun next week. any
time suits me
(that is an offer for people in Wrong Timezones :-D)


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Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Joern Nettingsmeier schrieb:
>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>> Hi Lenya devs,
>>>
>>> maybe you noticed that I have started some
prototyping to port our
>>> website to Lenya 2.0 (http://lenya
.zones.apache.org:9999/docu/). Though
>>> I made some progress, there are some open
issues, mainly of
>>> administrative nature.
>>>
>>> Thorsten suggested that we do an IRC session on
this topic. IMO this is
>>> a very good idea. If you're interested in
participating, please suggest
>>> a time.
>>>
>>> For me, every day+time is fine except the
weekends and Jan. 10 and 22.
>>
>> i could join next week tue-wed or fri-sun next
week. any time suits me
>> (that is an offer for people in Wrong Timezones
:-D)
> 
> Friday evening to Sunday is not so good for me. This
leaves
> 
> Tue, Jan. 15
> Wed, Jan. 16
> Fri, Jan. 18 morning to afternoon CET
>

I could join Tue or Wed but rather in the evening hours
after 8 pm.

Jann

Hi, Andreas

Am 14.01.2008 um 12:20 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:

> Andreas Hartmann schrieb:
>> Hi Lenya devs,
>> maybe you noticed that I have started some
prototyping to port our  
>> website to Lenya 2.0 (http://lenya
.zones.apache.org:9999/docu/).  
>> Though I made some progress, there are some open
issues, mainly of  
>> administrative nature.
>
> It looks like tomorrow evening will suit most people.
So how about
>
>  Tue, Jan. 15, 20:00
>

+1 that date/time would suit me.

Jürgen


null-oder-eins GmbH Zürich
web & graphic design

www.null-oder-eins.ch

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Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> It looks like tomorrow evening will suit most people.
So how about
> 
>   Tue, Jan. 15, 20:00

+1


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lines of code."
  - Ken Thompson.

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Is this time CET?

--Seth

On Jan 14, 2008 1:42 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier <nettingsapache.org> wrote:
> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> > It looks like tomorrow evening will suit most
people. So how about
> >
> >   Tue, Jan. 15, 20:00
>
> +1
>
>
> --
> Jörn Nettingsmeier
>
> "One of my most productive days was throwing away
1000 lines of code."
>   - Ken Thompson.
>
>
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Seth Gottlieb wrote:
> Is this time CET?
> 
> --Seth

yeah, sorry. 20:00 UTC+1
sometimes it's easy to forget there's a new world outside
old europe :-D
hope you can make it.
next time, speak up a little earlier and we might be able to
find a
friendlier time-of-day.

-- 
Jörn Nettingsmeier

"One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000
lines of code."
  - Ken Thompson.

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2PM my time is not bad for me.

On Jan 14, 2008 4:15 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier <nettingsapache.org> wrote:
> Seth Gottlieb wrote:
> > Is this time CET?
> >
> > --Seth
>
> yeah, sorry. 20:00 UTC+1
> sometimes it's easy to forget there's a new world
outside old europe :-D
> hope you can make it.
> next time, speak up a little earlier and we might be
able to find a
> friendlier time-of-day.
>
> --
>
> Jörn Nettingsmeier
>
> "One of my most productive days was throwing away
1000 lines of code."
>   - Ken Thompson.
>
>
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Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Andreas Hartmann schrieb:
>> Andreas Hartmann schrieb:
>>> Hi Lenya devs,
>>>
>>> maybe you noticed that I have started some
prototyping to port our
>>> website to Lenya 2.0 (http://lenya
.zones.apache.org:9999/docu/).
>>> Though I made some progress, there are some
open issues, mainly of
>>> administrative nature.
>>
>> It looks like tomorrow evening will suit most
people. So how about
>>
>>   Tue, Jan. 15, 20:00
> 
> The session has started.
> Thanks to anyone who joins!

sorry, couldn't make it earlier. was busy with a remote
update of a
client's office server (from opensuse 10.2 to two fully
virtualized 10.3
xen instances, without local access), and i botched some
things that
took a few hours to fix. looks like there's nobody there
anymore... you
know how it goes. the amount of headache during an update
is
proportional to the square of the distance to the
machine...


i'll try and hang around tomorrow...

best,

jörn


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Jörn Nettingsmeier

"One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000
lines of code."
  - Ken Thompson.

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On Jan 16, 2008 6:43 AM, Andreas Hartmann <andreasapache.org> wrote:
> Hi Lenya devs,
>
> here's a summary of the IRC session. The IRC log can be
viewed at
> ht
tp://wiki.apache.org/lenya/IrcLogDocuPublication
>
> The topic was the migration of our website to Lenya.
>
> There was a consensus among the participants that we
should migrate to
> Lenya, mainly for the following reasons:
>
> - Test scenario for collaborative editing (eat our own
dogfood)
> - Marketing
>
> Conditions:
> ===========
> - The content must be stored in the SVN repository.
> - We can't commit from the zones server.
> - We can't allow public access.
>
> Issues:
> =======
>
> The central question is if we should run Lenya on the
zones server or on
> the local machine.
>
> Advantages and disadvantages of the zones server:
> (+) Testing scenario for collaborative work
> (+) No synchronization via SVN after each change
necessary
> (-) Difficult SVN commit scenario
> (-) It's hard to let the author of a change be the
committer
>
> Apparently most people could live with the circumstance
that the author
> of a change is not the committer.
>
> When running the app on the zones, every once in a
while someone would
> have to commit the content:
> - Copy the content from the zones server to the local
sandbox via scp
> - Commit the changes from your local sandbox
> - Do an SVN update on the zones server
>
> It would be discouraged to edit locally, so that SVN
conflicts on the
> zones server can be avoided. If conflicts occur, they
would have to be
> resolved manually on the zones server.
>
> Another issue is revision control. One option would be
to set Lenya's
> revision history length to 0 (i.e. no backups). This
means that only SVN
> is used for versioning. Rolling back would mean (a)
doing it manually in
> the SVN sandbox on the zones server or (b) paste old
content in the
> source editor.
>
> Please add more information in case I forgot something.
TIA!
>
>
> -- Andreas
>
>
> --
> Andreas Hartmann, CTO
> BeCompany GmbH
> http://www.becompany.ch
> Tel.: +41 (0) 43 818 57 01
>
>

Why set Lenya's revision history length to 0 (i.e. no
backups)?  Just
to save disk space?

Also, will there be e-mail notification to the dev mailing
list
whenever somebody publishes a change?  (I hope so)

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