Need help invoking complex web services

Hi,

We're trying to create a Java application capable of
consuming any web service dynamically given only the WSDL.
The only problem is that we can't figure out how to invoke a
service that takes a complex type as a parameter without
first generating code. Is it possible to use WSIF to do such
an invocation without generating code, and if so, could
someone please send us some hint on how to do so?

thanks,
Tim

------------------------------------------------------------
---------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org

WSIF could not be used for dynamic invocation using complex
Types.

WSIF does not support complex types in dynamic invocation.

Try and see XSUL, if works.

Please let me know if you get working with XSUL. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Hamer [mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
> Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
> To: wsif-userws.apache.org
> Subject: Need help invoking complex web services
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We're trying to create a Java application capable of 
> consuming any web service dynamically given only the
WSDL. 
> The only problem is that we can't figure out how to
invoke a 
> service that takes a complex type as a parameter
without 
> first generating code. Is it possible to use WSIF to do
such 
> an invocation without generating code, and if so, could

> someone please send us some hint on how to do so?
> 
> thanks,
> Tim
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
> 
> 
>
____________________________________________________________
__
> __________
> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by
MessageLabs.
>
____________________________________________________________
__
> __________
> 

____________________________________________________________
____________
This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by MessageLabs.

Singularity operates globally through its offices in New
York, bond, Singapore, Ireland and India. Singularity
Limited is incorporated in the United Kingdom with
Registration Number NI 31519 and its Registered Office at
100 Patrick Street, Derry, BT48 7EL, United Kingdom.
____________________________________________________________
____________

The remarks about WSIF supporting dynamic invocation with
complex
types are incorrect.  This question has been asked and
answered many
times on this list.  Please check the archives.

Jeff

On 5/17/07, Velidanda Srinivas <srinivas.velidandasingularity.co.uk> wrote:
> WSIF could not be used for dynamic invocation using
complex Types.
>
> WSIF does not support complex types in dynamic
invocation.
>
> Try and see XSUL, if works.
>
> Please let me know if you get working with XSUL.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Hamer [mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
> > Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
> > To: wsif-userws.apache.org
> > Subject: Need help invoking complex web services
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We're trying to create a Java application capable
of
> > consuming any web service dynamically given only
the WSDL.
> > The only problem is that we can't figure out how
to invoke a
> > service that takes a complex type as a parameter
without
> > first generating code. Is it possible to use WSIF
to do such
> > an invocation without generating code, and if so,
could
> > someone please send us some hint on how to do so?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Tim
> >
> >
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail:
wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
____________________________________________________________
__
> > __________
> > This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by
MessageLabs.
> >
____________________________________________________________
__
> > __________
> >
>
>
____________________________________________________________
____________
> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by
MessageLabs.
>
> Singularity operates globally through its offices in
New York, bond, Singapore, Ireland and India. Singularity
Limited is incorporated in the United Kingdom with
Registration Number NI 31519 and its Registered Office at
100 Patrick Street, Derry, BT48 7EL, United Kingdom.
>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>

------------------------------------------------------------
---------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org

Jeff Greif wrote:
> The remarks about WSIF supporting dynamic invocation
with complex
> types are incorrect.  This question has been asked and
answered many
> times on this list.  Please check the archives.
the issues for discussion is "support" - if one
expects automatic
handling of
all of XML schemas types in WSIF that is not what WSIF does
but it does
help with mapping Java data (or just XML possibly that
follows XS
- that is dynamic case) and sending XML to a service
identified by WSDL.

in my experience dynamic case is typically encountered in
two situations:
1. some kind of user interface: it needs to parse WSDL and
present input
to user
    then it can use WSIF to send that input to that service
2. workflows or other systems that need to invoke services
described in WSDL
    but those systems do not generate input they just do its
processing and
    they are less dynamic (and can handle less of varied
inputs) more
processing they do.

my .01c

best,

alek
>
> On 5/17/07, Velidanda Srinivas
<srinivas.velidandasingularity.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> WSIF could not be used for dynamic invocation using
complex Types.
>>
>> WSIF does not support complex types in dynamic
invocation.
>>
>> Try and see XSUL, if works.
>>
>> Please let me know if you get working with XSUL.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Tim Hamer [mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
>> > Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
>> > To: wsif-userws.apache.org
>> > Subject: Need help invoking complex web
services
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > We're trying to create a Java application
capable of
>> > consuming any web service dynamically given
only the WSDL.
>> > The only problem is that we can't figure out
how to invoke a
>> > service that takes a complex type as a
parameter without
>> > first generating code. Is it possible to use
WSIF to do such
>> > an invocation without generating code, and if
so, could
>> > someone please send us some hint on how to do
so?
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > Tim
>> >
>> >
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail:
wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
____________________________________________________________
__
>> > __________
>> > This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses
by MessageLabs.
>> >
____________________________________________________________
__
>> > __________
>> >
>>
>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by
MessageLabs.
>>
>> Singularity operates globally through its offices
in New York,
>> bond, Singapore, Ireland and India. Singularity
Limited is
>> incorporated in the United Kingdom with
Registration Number NI 31519
>> and its Registered Office at 100 Patrick Street,
Derry, BT48 7EL,
>> United Kingdom.
>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>


-- 
The best way to predict the future is to invent it - Alan
Kay


------------------------------------------------------------
---------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org

Yes, Alek is correct.  You have to do some additional work
to make use 
of WSIF dynamic invocation on complex types, but it can be
done.

My company has been using WSIF as infrastructure for a
user-interface 
provider for web services for several years, using dynamic
invocation 
based on the WSDL and the schemas it references.  A wide
variety of 
complex types (but not all) are handled. WSIF is a small but
significant 
piece of a larger system, which gathers the input to the web
services, 
invokes the services, presents the output, and allows the
data from the 
outputs to be used to construct inputs to other services.  
The 
automatically-generated user interfaces can be delivered on
the desktop 
or various mobile devices, and customized and beautified
with additional 
metadata (beyond the schemas) to set up the user-driven
chaining of the 
services and present the WS inputs and outputs in a way more
suitable 
for end users.

Jeff

Aleksander Slominski wrote:
> Jeff Greif wrote:
>   
>> The remarks about WSIF supporting dynamic
invocation with complex
>> types are incorrect.  This question has been asked
and answered many
>> times on this list.  Please check the archives.
>>     
> the issues for discussion is "support" - if
one expects automatic
> handling of
> all of XML schemas types in WSIF that is not what WSIF
does but it does
> help with mapping Java data (or just XML possibly that
follows XS
> - that is dynamic case) and sending XML to a service
identified by WSDL.
>
> in my experience dynamic case is typically encountered
in two situations:
> 1. some kind of user interface: it needs to parse WSDL
and present input
> to user
>     then it can use WSIF to send that input to that
service
> 2. workflows or other systems that need to invoke
services described in WSDL
>     but those systems do not generate input they just
do its processing and
>     they are less dynamic (and can handle less of
varied inputs) more
> processing they do.
>
> my .01c
>
> best,
>
> alek
>   
>> On 5/17/07, Velidanda Srinivas
<srinivas.velidandasingularity.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>     
>>> WSIF could not be used for dynamic invocation
using complex Types.
>>>
>>> WSIF does not support complex types in dynamic
invocation.
>>>
>>> Try and see XSUL, if works.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you get working with
XSUL.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tim Hamer [mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
>>>> Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
>>>> To: wsif-userws.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Need help invoking complex web
services
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> We're trying to create a Java application
capable of
>>>> consuming any web service dynamically given
only the WSDL.
>>>> The only problem is that we can't figure
out how to invoke a
>>>> service that takes a complex type as a
parameter without
>>>> first generating code. Is it possible to
use WSIF to do such
>>>> an invocation without generating code, and
if so, could
>>>> someone please send us some hint on how to
do so?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
____________________________________________________________
__
>>>> __________
>>>> This e-mail has been scanned for all
viruses by MessageLabs.
>>>>
____________________________________________________________
__
>>>> __________
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by
MessageLabs.
>>>
>>> Singularity operates globally through its
offices in New York,
>>> bond, Singapore, Ireland and India. Singularity
Limited is
>>> incorporated in the United Kingdom with
Registration Number NI 31519
>>> and its Registered Office at 100 Patrick
Street, Derry, BT48 7EL,
>>> United Kingdom.
>>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>>
>>>       
>>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>>
>>     
>
>
>   


------------------------------------------------------------
---------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org

I don't think my remarks about WSIF dynamic invocation with
complex types are
incorrect.

The question asked doesn't mean whether WSIF supports
complex types in GUI
or NON-GUI 
applications, but the question is about supporting complex
types in Java
Applications 
with only reference to WSDL, which is not possible with
WSIF. I found the
same in the
dynamic invocation sample of the WSIF itself as below.

**********************
/**
 * This sample shows how to use WSIF for completely dynamic
invocations
 * as it is completely stubless execution. This sample does
not support
 * complex types (it could if there was defined a to encode
complex
 * values as command line arguments).
 *
 * author Sanjiva Weerawarana
 * author Alekander Slominski
 */

public class DynamicInvoker {
etc...etc..
**********************

Srinivas.


Jeff Greif wrote:
> 
> The remarks about WSIF supporting dynamic invocation
with complex
> types are incorrect.  This question has been asked and
answered many
> times on this list.  Please check the archives.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On 5/17/07, Velidanda Srinivas
<srinivas.velidandasingularity.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> WSIF could not be used for dynamic invocation using
complex Types.
>>
>> WSIF does not support complex types in dynamic
invocation.
>>
>> Try and see XSUL, if works.
>>
>> Please let me know if you get working with XSUL.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Tim Hamer [mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
>> > Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
>> > To: wsif-userws.apache.org
>> > Subject: Need help invoking complex web
services
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > We're trying to create a Java application
capable of
>> > consuming any web service dynamically given
only the WSDL.
>> > The only problem is that we can't figure out
how to invoke a
>> > service that takes a complex type as a
parameter without
>> > first generating code. Is it possible to use
WSIF to do such
>> > an invocation without generating code, and if
so, could
>> > someone please send us some hint on how to do
so?
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > Tim
>> >
>> >
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail:
wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
____________________________________________________________
__
>> > __________
>> > This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses
by MessageLabs.
>> >
____________________________________________________________
__
>> > __________
>> >
>>
>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by
MessageLabs.
>>
>> Singularity operates globally through its offices
in New York, bond,
>> Singapore, Ireland and India. Singularity Limited
is incorporated in the
>> United Kingdom with Registration Number NI 31519
and its Registered
>> Office at 100 Patrick Street, Derry, BT48 7EL,
United Kingdom.
>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
> 
> 
> 

-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Need
-help-invoking-complex-web-services-tf3752495.html#a10713388

Sent from the WSIF - User mailing list archive at
Nabble.com.


------------------------------------------------------------
---------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Greif [mailto:jeff.greifgmail.com]
> Sent: 18 May 2007 23:04
> To: wsif-userws.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Need help invoking complex web services
> 
> 
> Yes, Alek is correct.  You have to do some additional
work to 
> make use 
> of WSIF dynamic invocation on complex types, but it can
be done.

If there is some additional work to be done, how can it be
said that WSIF
itself supports
dynamic Invocation with complex types.

Could you please provide some sample with what you mean by
the additional
work to
be done

Thanks.
> 
> My company has been using WSIF as infrastructure for a
user-interface 
> provider for web services for several years, using
dynamic invocation 
> based on the WSDL and the schemas it references.  A
wide variety of 
> complex types (but not all) are handled. WSIF is a
small but 

here agian what does it mean by "but not all",
Could you please 
clarify the problem here...

> significant 
> piece of a larger system, which gathers the input to
the web 
> services, 
> invokes the services, presents the output, and allows
the 
> data from the 
> outputs to be used to construct inputs to other
services.   The 
> automatically-generated user interfaces can be
delivered on 
> the desktop 
> or various mobile devices, and customized and
beautified with 
> additional 
> metadata (beyond the schemas) to set up the user-driven

> chaining of the 
> services and present the WS inputs and outputs in a way
more suitable 
> for end users.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Aleksander Slominski wrote:
> > Jeff Greif wrote:
> >   
> >> The remarks about WSIF supporting dynamic
invocation with complex
> >> types are incorrect.  This question has been
asked and 
> answered many
> >> times on this list.  Please check the
archives.
> >>     
> > the issues for discussion is "support" -
if one expects automatic
> > handling of
> > all of XML schemas types in WSIF that is not what
WSIF does 
> but it does
> > help with mapping Java data (or just XML possibly
that follows XS
> > - that is dynamic case) and sending XML to a
service 
> identified by WSDL.
> >
> > in my experience dynamic case is typically
encountered in 
> two situations:
> > 1. some kind of user interface: it needs to parse
WSDL and 
> present input
> > to user
> >     then it can use WSIF to send that input to
that service
> > 2. workflows or other systems that need to invoke
services 
> described in WSDL
> >     but those systems do not generate input they
just do 
> its processing and
> >     they are less dynamic (and can handle less of
varied 
> inputs) more
> > processing they do.
> >
> > my .01c
> >
> > best,
> >
> > alek
> >   
> >> On 5/17/07, Velidanda Srinivas 
> <srinivas.velidandasingularity.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>     
> >>> WSIF could not be used for dynamic
invocation using complex Types.
> >>>
> >>> WSIF does not support complex types in
dynamic invocation.
> >>>
> >>> Try and see XSUL, if works.
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know if you get working with
XSUL.
> >>>
> >>>       
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Tim Hamer [mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
> >>>> Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
> >>>> To: wsif-userws.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: Need help invoking complex
web services
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> We're trying to create a Java
application capable of
> >>>> consuming any web service dynamically
given only the WSDL.
> >>>> The only problem is that we can't
figure out how to invoke a
> >>>> service that takes a complex type as a
parameter without
> >>>> first generating code. Is it possible
to use WSIF to do such
> >>>> an invocation without generating code,
and if so, could
> >>>> someone please send us some hint on
how to do so?
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks,
> >>>> Tim


Aleksander Slominski wrote:
> 
> Jeff Greif wrote:
>> The remarks about WSIF supporting dynamic
invocation with complex
>> types are incorrect.  This question has been asked
and answered many
>> times on this list.  Please check the archives.
> the issues for discussion is "support" - if
one expects automatic
> handling of
> all of XML schemas types in WSIF that is not what WSIF
does but it does
> help with mapping Java data (or just XML possibly that
follows XS
> - that is dynamic case) and sending XML to a service
identified by WSDL.
> 
> in my experience dynamic case is typically encountered
in two situations:
> 1. some kind of user interface: it needs to parse WSDL
and present input
> to user
>     then it can use WSIF to send that input to that
service
> 2. workflows or other systems that need to invoke
services described in
> WSDL
>     but those systems do not generate input they just
do its processing
> and
>     they are less dynamic (and can handle less of
varied inputs) more
> processing they do.
> 
> my .01c
> 
> best,
> 
> alek
>>
>> On 5/17/07, Velidanda Srinivas
<srinivas.velidandasingularity.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> WSIF could not be used for dynamic invocation
using complex Types.
>>>
>>> WSIF does not support complex types in dynamic
invocation.
>>>
>>> Try and see XSUL, if works.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you get working with
XSUL.
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Tim Hamer [mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
>>> > Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
>>> > To: wsif-userws.apache.org
>>> > Subject: Need help invoking complex web
services
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > We're trying to create a Java application
capable of
>>> > consuming any web service dynamically
given only the WSDL.
>>> > The only problem is that we can't figure
out how to invoke a
>>> > service that takes a complex type as a
parameter without
>>> > first generating code. Is it possible to
use WSIF to do such
>>> > an invocation without generating code, and
if so, could
>>> > someone please send us some hint on how to
do so?
>>> >
>>> > thanks,
>>> > Tim
>>> >
>>> >
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>>> > For additional commands, e-mail:
wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
____________________________________________________________
__
>>> > __________
>>> > This e-mail has been scanned for all
viruses by MessageLabs.
>>> >
____________________________________________________________
__
>>> > __________
>>> >
>>>
>>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by
MessageLabs.
>>>
>>> Singularity operates globally through its
offices in New York,
>>> bond, Singapore, Ireland and India. Singularity
Limited is
>>> incorporated in the United Kingdom with
Registration Number NI 31519
>>> and its Registered Office at 100 Patrick
Street, Derry, BT48 7EL,
>>> United Kingdom.
>>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>>
>>
>>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>>
> 
> 
> -- 
> The best way to predict the future is to invent it -
Alan Kay
> 
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
> 
> 
> 

-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Need
-help-invoking-complex-web-services-tf3752495.html#a10713405

Sent from the WSIF - User mailing list archive at
Nabble.com.


------------------------------------------------------------
---------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org

My first experiment with WSIF a few years ago was to modify
this sample 
to support complex types on the command line.

Jeff Greif

velidandas wrote:
> I don't think my remarks about WSIF dynamic invocation
with complex types are
> incorrect.
>
> The question asked doesn't mean whether WSIF supports
complex types in GUI
> or NON-GUI 
> applications, but the question is about supporting
complex types in Java
> Applications 
> with only reference to WSDL, which is not possible with
WSIF. I found the
> same in the
> dynamic invocation sample of the WSIF itself as below.
>
> **********************
> /**
>  * This sample shows how to use WSIF for completely
dynamic invocations
>  * as it is completely stubless execution. This sample
does not support
>  * complex types (it could if there was defined a to
encode complex
>  * values as command line arguments).
>  *
>  * author Sanjiva Weerawarana
>  * author Alekander Slominski
>  */
>
> public class DynamicInvoker {
> etc...etc..
> **********************
>
> Srinivas.
>
>
> Jeff Greif wrote:
>   
>> The remarks about WSIF supporting dynamic
invocation with complex
>> types are incorrect.  This question has been asked
and answered many
>> times on this list.  Please check the archives.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On 5/17/07, Velidanda Srinivas
<srinivas.velidandasingularity.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>     
>>> WSIF could not be used for dynamic invocation
using complex Types.
>>>
>>> WSIF does not support complex types in dynamic
invocation.
>>>
>>> Try and see XSUL, if works.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you get working with
XSUL.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tim Hamer [mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
>>>> Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
>>>> To: wsif-userws.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Need help invoking complex web
services
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> We're trying to create a Java application
capable of
>>>> consuming any web service dynamically given
only the WSDL.
>>>> The only problem is that we can't figure
out how to invoke a
>>>> service that takes a complex type as a
parameter without
>>>> first generating code. Is it possible to
use WSIF to do such
>>>> an invocation without generating code, and
if so, could
>>>> someone please send us some hint on how to
do so?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
____________________________________________________________
__
>>>> __________
>>>> This e-mail has been scanned for all
viruses by MessageLabs.
>>>>
____________________________________________________________
__
>>>> __________
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by
MessageLabs.
>>>
>>> Singularity operates globally through its
offices in New York, bond,
>>> Singapore, Ireland and India. Singularity
Limited is incorporated in the
>>> United Kingdom with Registration Number NI
31519 and its Registered
>>> Office at 100 Patrick Street, Derry, BT48 7EL,
United Kingdom.
>>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>>
>>>       
>>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
>   


------------------------------------------------------------
---------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org

What is the additional work to be done here, Please explain
in detail so that
I will
get my application working.

Thanks very much for all the help.
Srinivas.
)

velidandas wrote:
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Greif [mailto:jeff.greifgmail.com]
>> Sent: 18 May 2007 23:04
>> To: wsif-userws.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Need help invoking complex web
services
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, Alek is correct.  You have to do some
additional work to 
>> make use 
>> of WSIF dynamic invocation on complex types, but it
can be done.
> 
> If there is some additional work to be done, how can it
be said that WSIF
> itself supports
> dynamic Invocation with complex types.
> 
> Could you please provide some sample with what you mean
by the additional
> work to
> be done
> 
> Thanks.
>> 
>> My company has been using WSIF as infrastructure
for a user-interface 
>> provider for web services for several years, using
dynamic invocation 
>> based on the WSDL and the schemas it references.  A
wide variety of 
>> complex types (but not all) are handled. WSIF is a
small but 
> 
> here agian what does it mean by "but not
all", Could you please 
> clarify the problem here...
> 
>> significant 
>> piece of a larger system, which gathers the input
to the web 
>> services, 
>> invokes the services, presents the output, and
allows the 
>> data from the 
>> outputs to be used to construct inputs to other
services.   The 
>> automatically-generated user interfaces can be
delivered on 
>> the desktop 
>> or various mobile devices, and customized and
beautified with 
>> additional 
>> metadata (beyond the schemas) to set up the
user-driven 
>> chaining of the 
>> services and present the WS inputs and outputs in a
way more suitable 
>> for end users.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> Aleksander Slominski wrote:
>> > Jeff Greif wrote:
>> >   
>> >> The remarks about WSIF supporting dynamic
invocation with complex
>> >> types are incorrect.  This question has
been asked and 
>> answered many
>> >> times on this list.  Please check the
archives.
>> >>     
>> > the issues for discussion is
"support" - if one expects automatic
>> > handling of
>> > all of XML schemas types in WSIF that is not
what WSIF does 
>> but it does
>> > help with mapping Java data (or just XML
possibly that follows XS
>> > - that is dynamic case) and sending XML to a
service 
>> identified by WSDL.
>> >
>> > in my experience dynamic case is typically
encountered in 
>> two situations:
>> > 1. some kind of user interface: it needs to
parse WSDL and 
>> present input
>> > to user
>> >     then it can use WSIF to send that input to
that service
>> > 2. workflows or other systems that need to
invoke services 
>> described in WSDL
>> >     but those systems do not generate input
they just do 
>> its processing and
>> >     they are less dynamic (and can handle less
of varied 
>> inputs) more
>> > processing they do.
>> >
>> > my .01c
>> >
>> > best,
>> >
>> > alek
>> >   
>> >> On 5/17/07, Velidanda Srinivas 
>> <srinivas.velidandasingularity.co.uk>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>     
>> >>> WSIF could not be used for dynamic
invocation using complex Types.
>> >>>
>> >>> WSIF does not support complex types in
dynamic invocation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Try and see XSUL, if works.
>> >>>
>> >>> Please let me know if you get working
with XSUL.
>> >>>
>> >>>       
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Tim Hamer
[mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
>> >>>> Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
>> >>>> To: wsif-userws.apache.org
>> >>>> Subject: Need help invoking
complex web services
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We're trying to create a Java
application capable of
>> >>>> consuming any web service
dynamically given only the WSDL.
>> >>>> The only problem is that we can't
figure out how to invoke a
>> >>>> service that takes a complex type
as a parameter without
>> >>>> first generating code. Is it
possible to use WSIF to do such
>> >>>> an invocation without generating
code, and if so, could
>> >>>> someone please send us some hint
on how to do so?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> thanks,
>> >>>> Tim
> 
> 
> Aleksander Slominski wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff Greif wrote:
>>> The remarks about WSIF supporting dynamic
invocation with complex
>>> types are incorrect.  This question has been
asked and answered many
>>> times on this list.  Please check the
archives.
>> the issues for discussion is "support" -
if one expects automatic
>> handling of
>> all of XML schemas types in WSIF that is not what
WSIF does but it does
>> help with mapping Java data (or just XML possibly
that follows XS
>> - that is dynamic case) and sending XML to a
service identified by WSDL.
>> 
>> in my experience dynamic case is typically
encountered in two situations:
>> 1. some kind of user interface: it needs to parse
WSDL and present input
>> to user
>>     then it can use WSIF to send that input to that
service
>> 2. workflows or other systems that need to invoke
services described in
>> WSDL
>>     but those systems do not generate input they
just do its processing
>> and
>>     they are less dynamic (and can handle less of
varied inputs) more
>> processing they do.
>> 
>> my .01c
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> alek
>>>
>>> On 5/17/07, Velidanda Srinivas
<srinivas.velidandasingularity.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>> WSIF could not be used for dynamic
invocation using complex Types.
>>>>
>>>> WSIF does not support complex types in
dynamic invocation.
>>>>
>>>> Try and see XSUL, if works.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you get working with
XSUL.
>>>>
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Tim Hamer [mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
>>>> > Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
>>>> > To: wsif-userws.apache.org
>>>> > Subject: Need help invoking complex
web services
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > We're trying to create a Java
application capable of
>>>> > consuming any web service dynamically
given only the WSDL.
>>>> > The only problem is that we can't
figure out how to invoke a
>>>> > service that takes a complex type as a
parameter without
>>>> > first generating code. Is it possible
to use WSIF to do such
>>>> > an invocation without generating code,
and if so, could
>>>> > someone please send us some hint on
how to do so?
>>>> >
>>>> > thanks,
>>>> > Tim
>>>> >
>>>> >
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>>>> > For additional commands, e-mail:
wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
____________________________________________________________
__
>>>> > __________
>>>> > This e-mail has been scanned for all
viruses by MessageLabs.
>>>> >
____________________________________________________________
__
>>>> > __________
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>>> This e-mail has been scanned for all
viruses by MessageLabs.
>>>>
>>>> Singularity operates globally through its
offices in New York,
>>>> bond, Singapore, Ireland and India.
Singularity Limited is
>>>> incorporated in the United Kingdom with
Registration Number NI 31519
>>>> and its Registered Office at 100 Patrick
Street, Derry, BT48 7EL,
>>>> United Kingdom.
>>>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>>>
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> The best way to predict the future is to invent it
- Alan Kay
>> 
>> 
>>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Need
-help-invoking-complex-web-services-tf3752495.html#a10734585

Sent from the WSIF - User mailing list archive at
Nabble.com.


------------------------------------------------------------
---------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org

velidandas wrote:
> What is the additional work to be done here, Please
explain in detail so that
> I will
> get my application working.
>
> Thanks very much for all the help.
> Srinivas.
> )
>
> velidandas wrote:
>   
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jeff Greif [mailto:jeff.greifgmail.com]
>>> Sent: 18 May 2007 23:04
>>> To: wsif-userws.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Need help invoking complex web
services
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, Alek is correct.  You have to do some
additional work to 
>>> make use 
>>> of WSIF dynamic invocation on complex types,
but it can be done.
>>>       
>> If there is some additional work to be done, how
can it be said that WSIF
>> itself supports
>> dynamic Invocation with complex types.
>>
>> Could you please provide some sample with what you
mean by the additional
>> work to
>> be done
>>
>> Thanks.
>>     
>>> My company has been using WSIF as
infrastructure for a user-interface 
>>> provider for web services for several years,
using dynamic invocation 
>>> based on the WSDL and the schemas it
references.  A wide variety of 
>>> complex types (but not all) are handled. WSIF
is a small but 
>>>       
>> here agian what does it mean by "but not
all", Could you please 
>> clarify the problem here...
>>
>>     
>>> significant 
>>> piece of a larger system, which gathers the
input to the web 
>>> services, 
>>> invokes the services, presents the output, and
allows the 
>>> data from the 
>>> outputs to be used to construct inputs to other
services.   The 
>>> automatically-generated user interfaces can be
delivered on 
>>> the desktop 
>>> or various mobile devices, and customized and
beautified with 
>>> additional 
>>> metadata (beyond the schemas) to set up the
user-driven 
>>> chaining of the 
>>> services and present the WS inputs and outputs
in a way more suitable 
>>> for end users.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Aleksander Slominski wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Jeff Greif wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>         
>>>>> The remarks about WSIF supporting
dynamic invocation with complex
>>>>> types are incorrect.  This question has
been asked and 
>>>>>           
>>> answered many
>>>       
>>>>> times on this list.  Please check the
archives.
>>>>>     
>>>>>           
>>>> the issues for discussion is
"support" - if one expects automatic
>>>> handling of
>>>> all of XML schemas types in WSIF that is
not what WSIF does 
>>>>         
>>> but it does
>>>       
>>>> help with mapping Java data (or just XML
possibly that follows XS
>>>> - that is dynamic case) and sending XML to
a service 
>>>>         
>>> identified by WSDL.
>>>       
>>>> in my experience dynamic case is typically
encountered in 
>>>>         
>>> two situations:
>>>       
>>>> 1. some kind of user interface: it needs to
parse WSDL and 
>>>>         
>>> present input
>>>       
>>>> to user
>>>>     then it can use WSIF to send that input
to that service
>>>> 2. workflows or other systems that need to
invoke services 
>>>>         
>>> described in WSDL
>>>       
>>>>     but those systems do not generate input
they just do 
>>>>         
>>> its processing and
>>>       
>>>>     they are less dynamic (and can handle
less of varied 
>>>>         
>>> inputs) more
>>>       
>>>> processing they do.
>>>>
>>>> my .01c
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>>
>>>> alek
>>>>   
>>>>         
>>>>> On 5/17/07, Velidanda Srinivas 
>>>>>           
>>> <srinivas.velidandasingularity.co.uk>
>>>       
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>     
>>>>>           
>>>>>> WSIF could not be used for dynamic
invocation using complex Types.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WSIF does not support complex types
in dynamic invocation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try and see XSUL, if works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know if you get
working with XSUL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Tim Hamer
[mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
>>>>>>> To: wsif-userws.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Need help invoking
complex web services
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're trying to create a Java
application capable of
>>>>>>> consuming any web service
dynamically given only the WSDL.
>>>>>>> The only problem is that we
can't figure out how to invoke a
>>>>>>> service that takes a complex
type as a parameter without
>>>>>>> first generating code. Is it
possible to use WSIF to do such
>>>>>>> an invocation without
generating code, and if so, could
>>>>>>> someone please send us some
hint on how to do so?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>               
>> Aleksander Slominski wrote:
>>     
>>> Jeff Greif wrote:
>>>       
>>>> The remarks about WSIF supporting dynamic
invocation with complex
>>>> types are incorrect.  This question has
been asked and answered many
>>>> times on this list.  Please check the
archives.
>>>>         
>>> the issues for discussion is
"support" - if one expects automatic
>>> handling of
>>> all of XML schemas types in WSIF that is not
what WSIF does but it does
>>> help with mapping Java data (or just XML
possibly that follows XS
>>> - that is dynamic case) and sending XML to a
service identified by WSDL.
>>>
>>> in my experience dynamic case is typically
encountered in two situations:
>>> 1. some kind of user interface: it needs to
parse WSDL and present input
>>> to user
>>>     then it can use WSIF to send that input to
that service
>>> 2. workflows or other systems that need to
invoke services described in
>>> WSDL
>>>     but those systems do not generate input
they just do its processing
>>> and
>>>     they are less dynamic (and can handle less
of varied inputs) more
>>> processing they do.
>>>
>>> my .01c
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> alek
>>>       
>>>> On 5/17/07, Velidanda Srinivas
<srinivas.velidandasingularity.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> WSIF could not be used for dynamic
invocation using complex Types.
>>>>>
>>>>> WSIF does not support complex types in
dynamic invocation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try and see XSUL, if works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know if you get working
with XSUL.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Tim Hamer
[mailto:tim.hamerasolutions.com]
>>>>>> Sent: 14 May 2007 19:20
>>>>>> To: wsif-userws.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Need help invoking complex
web services
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're trying to create a Java
application capable of
>>>>>> consuming any web service
dynamically given only the WSDL.
>>>>>> The only problem is that we can't
figure out how to invoke a
>>>>>> service that takes a complex type
as a parameter without
>>>>>> first generating code. Is it
possible to use WSIF to do such
>>>>>> an invocation without generating
code, and if so, could
>>>>>> someone please send us some hint on
how to do so?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
____________________________________________________________
__
>>>>>> __________
>>>>>> This e-mail has been scanned for
all viruses by MessageLabs.
>>>>>>
____________________________________________________________
__
>>>>>> __________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>>>> This e-mail has been scanned for all
viruses by MessageLabs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Singularity operates globally through
its offices in New York,
>>>>> bond, Singapore, Ireland and India.
Singularity Limited is
>>>>> incorporated in the United Kingdom with
Registration Number NI 31519
>>>>> and its Registered Office at 100
Patrick Street, Derry, BT48 7EL,
>>>>> United Kingdom.
>>>>>
____________________________________________________________
____________
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> -- 
>>> The best way to predict the future is to invent
it - Alan Kay
>>>
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
wsif-user-helpws.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>     
>
>   


------------------------------------------------------------
---------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsif-user-unsubscribews.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: wsif-user-helpws.apache.org