Ardour 2.3 problems

I experienced some problems with ardour 2.3 last night while
completing 
the final mixing for a project.  When using
<Ctrl><Shift>E to select all 
regions after the editing point, it works well during the
edit, but 
ardour crashes when trying to save your work after using the
feature.
All editing is then lost. from the last successful save.

When you zoom out, and select the track using the mouse and
then moving 
it, all is fine.

Reptile also experienced some problems, please see the
tread: 
http://
www.64studio.com/node/417#comment-1565

I now believe that 2.3 is not ready for inclusion into the
64studio 2.1 
release.  I did not encounter these problems using 2.2. 
We'll have to 
see if the bugs fixed for 2.3 would impact so greatly on the
usability 
of the system.

Cheers,
Quentin
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On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 12:15 +0200, Quentin Harley wrote:
> I experienced some problems with ardour 2.3 last night
while completing 
> the final mixing for a project.  When using
<Ctrl><Shift>E to select all 
> regions after the editing point, it works well during
the edit, but 
> ardour crashes when trying to save your work after
using the feature.
> All editing is then lost. from the last successful
save.
> 
> When you zoom out, and select the track using the mouse
and then moving 
> it, all is fine.

Have you posted a bug report on mantis? (http://tracker.ardour.org)

Also, I'm not able to duplicate the bug with that
description. Could you
provide more information on the bug report?


 Thanks,
  Sampo

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Hi Paul,

For the past few weeks I've been working on some code to
enable Ardour
sessions to be merged.  I'm only merging the audio elements
such as Sources,
Regions and Playlists (although along the way, I can need to
create new
Crossfades / Routes / AudioDiskstreams etc).  I've finished
the code for
merging Sources & Source Regions and I'm pretty close to
finishing the code
for merging Playlists.  However, I've found something
strange in the way
that the merged session is being loaded....

Let's say the first session had 4 x playlists called Audio1,
Audio2, Audio3
and Audio4 (in that order).  The second session had 3 x
playlists in the
order Audio5, Audio6 and Audio7.  In the (merged)
session-state file, the
merged playlists are ordered thus (reading the XML file as a
text file):-

Audio1
Audio2
Audio3
Audio4
Audio5
Audio6
Audio7

but when I load the resultant session into Ardour, I can end
up with an
arrangement looking something like this:-

Audio1
Audio5
Audio2
Audio3
Audio7
Audio4
Audio6

I just wondered what strategy is used by Ardour to determine
which playlist
will be topmost / next / bottommost etc and is it something
I can influence
within the session-state file?

Thanks,

John

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On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 11:32 +0000, John Emmas wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> For the past few weeks I've been working on some code
to enable Ardour
> sessions to be merged.  I'm only merging the audio
elements such as Sources,
> Regions and Playlists (although along the way, I can
need to create new
> Crossfades / Routes / AudioDiskstreams etc).  I've
finished the code for
> merging Sources & Source Regions and I'm pretty
close to finishing the code
> for merging Playlists.  However, I've found something
strange in the way
> that the merged session is being loaded....
> 
> Let's say the first session had 4 x playlists called
Audio1, Audio2, Audio3
> and Audio4 (in that order).  The second session had 3 x
playlists in the
> order Audio5, Audio6 and Audio7.  In the (merged)
session-state file, the
> merged playlists are ordered thus (reading the XML file
as a text file):-
> 
> Audio1
> Audio2
> Audio3
> Audio4
> Audio5
> Audio6
> Audio7
> 
> but when I load the resultant session into Ardour, I
can end up with an
> arrangement looking something like this:-
> 
> Audio1
> Audio5
> Audio2
> Audio3
> Audio7
> Audio4
> Audio6

arrangement in what?

> I just wondered what strategy is used by Ardour to
determine which playlist
> will be topmost / next / bottommost etc and is it
something I can influence
> within the session-state file?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Davis" <paullinuxaudiosystems.com>
Subject: Re: [Ardour-Dev] Playlist ordering (track
ordering)
>
> arrangement in what?
>
In Ardour.  For example, the session state file might have
seven playlists
(named Audio1 thru Audio7) ordered Audio1, Audio2, Audio3
etc.  But
when I load them into Ardour, Audio1 is topmost, then Audio5
is below
Audio1, then Audio2 is below Audio5 etc.

In other words each time I load a new session, its playlists
always appear
in a certain order on Ardour's canvas (reading from top to
bottom) but that
isn't necessarily the same order as they appear to be in if
you look at the
session state file.  This is something I'd never noticed
before and I just
wondered what affects their ordering?

John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Davis" <paullinuxaudiosystems.com>
To: "John Emmas" <johne53tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: "Ardour Dev" <ardour-devlists.ardour.org>
Sent: 17 February 2008 19:37
Subject: Re: [Ardour-Dev] Playlist ordering (track
ordering)


>
> On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 11:32 +0000, John Emmas wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> For the past few weeks I've been working on some
code to enable Ardour
>> sessions to be merged.  I'm only merging the audio
elements such as
>> Sources,
>> Regions and Playlists (although along the way, I
can need to create new
>> Crossfades / Routes / AudioDiskstreams etc).  I've
finished the code for
>> merging Sources & Source Regions and I'm pretty
close to finishing the
>> code
>> for merging Playlists.  However, I've found
something strange in the way
>> that the merged session is being loaded....
>>
>> Let's say the first session had 4 x playlists
called Audio1, Audio2,
>> Audio3
>> and Audio4 (in that order).  The second session had
3 x playlists in the
>> order Audio5, Audio6 and Audio7.  In the (merged)
session-state file, the
>> merged playlists are ordered thus (reading the XML
file as a text file):-
>>
>> Audio1
>> Audio2
>> Audio3
>> Audio4
>> Audio5
>> Audio6
>> Audio7
>>
>> but when I load the resultant session into Ardour,
I can end up with an
>> arrangement looking something like this:-
>>
>> Audio1
>> Audio5
>> Audio2
>> Audio3
>> Audio7
>> Audio4
>> Audio6
>
> arrangement in what?
>
>> I just wondered what strategy is used by Ardour to
determine which
>> playlist
>> will be topmost / next / bottommost etc and is it
something I can
>> influence
>> within the session-state file?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>>
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>

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Daniel James wrote:
> Hi Quentin,
>
>> I now believe that 2.3 is not ready for inclusion
into the 64studio 
>> 2.1 release.  I did not encounter these problems
using 2.2.
>
> I'd be happy for 64 Studio 2.1 to be released with
Ardour 2.2.
>
> We need to find out if users on other distros are
experiencing these 
> problems with Ardour 2.3. To give a random example, it
could be our 
> GTK+ version is too old. Or maybe we need the very
latest Jack 109.2 
> release.

I'll reload my 64studio end of week to make sure it is not
something 
funny on my system causing the problems.

Will let you know.

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After some experimentation this afternoon, I've realised
that if I delete a
route (from Ardour's mixer) thereby deleting the associated
track, any
playlist that was previously on that track gets moved into
UnusedPlaylists.

Now suppose I later create a new route (which creates a new,
empty track)
and I decide that I'd like to assign one of the old (i.e.
unused) playlists
to my newly created track.  Is there a way to get them
back?

Thanks,

John 

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Daniel James wrote:
> Hi Quentin,
>
>> When using <Ctrl><Shift>E to select all
regions after the editing 
>> point, it works well during the edit, but ardour
crashes when trying 
>> to save your work after using the feature.
>
> I've tried to reproduce this specific crash, but I
can't when using a 
> simple session created in Ardour 2.2. I couldn't
reproduce it with an 
> older, more complex session either.
>
> If you can still reproduce this problem, could you post
that specific 
> session online so that we can try it?

I'm going to reinstall my system now.  I had to complete a
recording 
project, and as of Yesterday 20:00 the master is in the
can...

It helps if you compare apples with apples, and a lot of
testing has 
happened on my system since the last install.  Time to
rectify that.

Cheers,
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On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 09:51 +0000, John Emmas wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Davis" <paullinuxaudiosystems.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ardour-Dev] Playlist ordering (track
ordering)
> >
> > arrangement in what?
> >
> In Ardour.  For example, the session state file might
have seven playlists
> (named Audio1 thru Audio7) ordered Audio1, Audio2,
Audio3 etc.  But
> when I load them into Ardour, Audio1 is topmost, then
Audio5 is below
> Audio1, then Audio2 is below Audio5 etc.
> 
> In other words each time I load a new session, its
playlists always appear
> in a certain order on Ardour's canvas (reading from top
to bottom) but that
> isn't necessarily the same order as they appear to be
in if you look at the
> session state file.  This is something I'd never
noticed before and I just
> wondered what affects their ordering?

This is another terminology problem, nothing more.

Playlists are not tracks.

Tracks are tape recorders/players.
Playlists are the tapes.

Clear? 

Tracks are the one that have "order" in the
window(s), not playlists.


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John Emmas wrote:
> In Ardour.  For example, the session state file might
have seven playlists
> (named Audio1 thru Audio7) ordered Audio1, Audio2,
Audio3 etc.  But
> when I load them into Ardour, Audio1 is topmost, then
Audio5 is below
> Audio1, then Audio2 is below Audio5 etc.

Are you referring to the playlist dropdown? I would expect
that dropdown
to order playlists in either creation order or alphabetic
sort order but
it doesn't appear to do either in recent builds...

Will check this evening and file bugs if necessary!

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