Re: OT - Non AT&T landline

As I said "by however little I can".  In fact my
company cell phone is
AT&T so I can't impact them there either.

However, your point is a little off - it implies AT&T is
storing all
bytes and providing that - which too my knowledge this was
never
alleged.  What was alleged was that AT&T/SBC (and some
other ILECs) were
providing all details of call records to the NSA.   Most
ILECs denied
they were doing it and at least one got a retraction by
showing that
they were asked to do it but refused.  AT&T on the other
hand simply
changed its policy to say AT&T owns data about YOU and
can give it to
whoever they want without your consent.  That is a fairly
large outrage
in my mind and I'm surprised that more people aren't
incensed by it.
I'm sure if enough people dropped AT&T
(SBC/BellSouth/Cingular) over it
then AT&T would change its policy back AND opt out of
what IMO is an
illegal program.

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bouncesale.org [mailto:ale-bouncesale.org]
On Behalf Of Jim
Popovitch
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:24 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] OT - Non AT&T landline

On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 10:04 -0400, Jeff Lightner wrote:
> My question is generated both by a desire to save money
and a desire
> to reduce AT&T's income by however little I can.  
I didn't like AT&T
> back when it was a monopoly and their response to the
NSA information
> collection stuff let me know that despite being a
reconstituted
> corporation their "we're the phone company"
hubris has NOT changed.

I'm curious....  Where do you buy your pharmaceuticals from,
what about
"home improvement" items?   Do you use any credit
or debit cards?  Have
any investment accounts?   Traveled by air/train/bus
lately?

 


Btw, you don't have to be hooked up to AT&T in order for
your data to
cross their tubes. 

-Jim P.


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On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 10:41 -0400, Jeff Lightner wrote:
> However, your point is a little off - it implies
AT&T is storing all
> bytes and providing that - which too my knowledge this
was never
> alleged.  

 Does
it matter to you who is storing the bytes?  If so, it may
be
some entity you've never heard of... and it may be happening
without
someone alleging it.

> What was alleged was that AT&T/SBC (and some other
ILECs) were
> providing all details of call records to the NSA.  
Most ILECs denied
> they were doing it and at least one got a retraction by
showing that
> they were asked to do it but refused.

I don't think that is 100% accurate.  You are stating a
media person's
opinion of what those companies stated.

>  AT&T on the other hand simply changed its policy
to say AT&T owns
> data about YOU and can give it to whoever they want
without your
> consent.  That is a fairly large outrage in my mind and
I'm surprised
> that more people aren't incensed by it.  

I see nothing wrong, nor reason for outrage, in AT&T
turning over
records of data that traverses *THEIR* network.  Stores you
shop in
routinely turn over their video tape to the police.  Heck,
right now in
Buckhead there are some 299 privately owned cameras that the
APD has
access to.  Everything from Bank security cameras, street
cams, parking
lot cams, and Mall cameras.   

I understand your frustration in feeling violated, I don't
understand
your expectation of 100% privacy when you interact in public
realms.

-Jim P.

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