feed id's and paged/archive feeds

Mark,

I cannot recall if I've asked you this in the past but... if
I have a
set of paged/archive feed documents all of which make up a
single
logical feed, do the atom:id's for each feed document have
be the same?
 If not, how do I determine the atom:id of the logical feed?

- James

Sorry, this got lost in my inbox...

I think they do, although the draft is silent on it. This is
one of  
those areas where it would have been really nice if the WG
had agreed  
to take on FH as part of the core, rather than extension;
there are  
lots of little ambiguities like this as a result.

Cheers,


On 2006/11/03, at 1:37 PM, James M Snell wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I cannot recall if I've asked you this in the past
but... if I have a
> set of paged/archive feed documents all of which make
up a single
> logical feed, do the atom:id's for each feed document
have be the  
> same?
>  If not, how do I determine the atom:id of the logical
feed?
>
> - James


--
Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/

Sorry, this got lost in my inbox...

I think they do, although the draft is silent on it. This is
one of  
those areas where it would have been really nice if the WG
had agreed  
to take on FH as part of the core, rather than extension;
there are  
lots of little ambiguities like this as a result.

Cheers,


On 2006/11/03, at 1:37 PM, James M Snell wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I cannot recall if I've asked you this in the past
but... if I have a
> set of paged/archive feed documents all of which make
up a single
> logical feed, do the atom:id's for each feed document
have be the  
> same?
>  If not, how do I determine the atom:id of the logical
feed?
>
> - James


--
Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/

Mark Nottingham wrote:
> [snip]
> I think they do, although the draft is silent on it.
> [snip]

Good enough for me.

Also, the latest draft looks good to me. Ship it!

Thanks Mark.

- James

Mark Nottingham wrote:
> [snip]
> I think they do, although the draft is silent on it.
> [snip]

Good enough for me.

Also, the latest draft looks good to me. Ship it!

Thanks Mark.

- James

Hi Mark,

Given all the ambiguities, are there any implementations
available to  
test against in practice?  Or even implementors planning to
make the  
attempt?

- Ernie P.

On Nov 26, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:

>
> Sorry, this got lost in my inbox...
>
> I think they do, although the draft is silent on it.
This is one of  
> those areas where it would have been really nice if the
WG had  
> agreed to take on FH as part of the core, rather than
extension;  
> there are lots of little ambiguities like this as a
result.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> On 2006/11/03, at 1:37 PM, James M Snell wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> I cannot recall if I've asked you this in the past
but... if I have a
>> set of paged/archive feed documents all of which
make up a single
>> logical feed, do the atom:id's for each feed
document have be the  
>> same?
>>  If not, how do I determine the atom:id of the
logical feed?
>>
>> - James
>
>
> --
> Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/
>

Well, since you ask a leading question...

I have a demo implementation of a client at:
  http://www.mnot.net/
rss/history/
and my blog does the server side:
  http://www.mnot.n
et/blog/index.atom

James Holderness has mentioned an implementation, and the
Apache  
abdera people seem to be planning something, based on their 

repository. I know of other folks who are planning to
integrate into  
products and services, but I can't disclose anything more
(I'd  
encourage them to, of course). Anybody else?

The issue we're discussing here, though, isn't about
ambiguities in  
*this* spec, but rather in Atom itself; i.e., what does a
feed ID  
really identify?

Cheers,



On 2006/11/27, at 11:06 AM, Ernest Prabhakar wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Given all the ambiguities, are there any
implementations available  
> to test against in practice?  Or even implementors
planning to make  
> the attempt?
>
> - Ernie P.
>
> On Nov 26, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, this got lost in my inbox...
>>
>> I think they do, although the draft is silent on
it. This is one  
>> of those areas where it would have been really nice
if the WG had  
>> agreed to take on FH as part of the core, rather
than extension;  
>> there are lots of little ambiguities like this as a
result.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> On 2006/11/03, at 1:37 PM, James M Snell wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> I cannot recall if I've asked you this in the
past but... if I  
>>> have a
>>> set of paged/archive feed documents all of
which make up a single
>>> logical feed, do the atom:id's for each feed
document have be the  
>>> same?
>>>  If not, how do I determine the atom:id of the
logical feed?
>>>
>>> - James
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/
>>
>


--
Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/

Hi Mark,

Given all the ambiguities, are there any implementations
available to  
test against in practice?  Or even implementors planning to
make the  
attempt?

- Ernie P.

On Nov 26, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:

>
> Sorry, this got lost in my inbox...
>
> I think they do, although the draft is silent on it.
This is one of  
> those areas where it would have been really nice if the
WG had  
> agreed to take on FH as part of the core, rather than
extension;  
> there are lots of little ambiguities like this as a
result.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> On 2006/11/03, at 1:37 PM, James M Snell wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> I cannot recall if I've asked you this in the past
but... if I have a
>> set of paged/archive feed documents all of which
make up a single
>> logical feed, do the atom:id's for each feed
document have be the  
>> same?
>>  If not, how do I determine the atom:id of the
logical feed?
>>
>> - James
>
>
> --
> Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/
>

Well, since you ask a leading question...

I have a demo implementation of a client at:
  http://www.mnot.net/
rss/history/
and my blog does the server side:
  http://www.mnot.n
et/blog/index.atom

James Holderness has mentioned an implementation, and the
Apache  
abdera people seem to be planning something, based on their 

repository. I know of other folks who are planning to
integrate into  
products and services, but I can't disclose anything more
(I'd  
encourage them to, of course). Anybody else?

The issue we're discussing here, though, isn't about
ambiguities in  
*this* spec, but rather in Atom itself; i.e., what does a
feed ID  
really identify?

Cheers,



On 2006/11/27, at 11:06 AM, Ernest Prabhakar wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Given all the ambiguities, are there any
implementations available  
> to test against in practice?  Or even implementors
planning to make  
> the attempt?
>
> - Ernie P.
>
> On Nov 26, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, this got lost in my inbox...
>>
>> I think they do, although the draft is silent on
it. This is one  
>> of those areas where it would have been really nice
if the WG had  
>> agreed to take on FH as part of the core, rather
than extension;  
>> there are lots of little ambiguities like this as a
result.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> On 2006/11/03, at 1:37 PM, James M Snell wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> I cannot recall if I've asked you this in the
past but... if I  
>>> have a
>>> set of paged/archive feed documents all of
which make up a single
>>> logical feed, do the atom:id's for each feed
document have be the  
>>> same?
>>>  If not, how do I determine the atom:id of the
logical feed?
>>>
>>> - James
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/
>>
>


--
Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/

Abdera has basic support for the extension elements and the
paging links
(including prev-archive and next-archive).  It does not yet
include an
implementation of the feed reconstruction algorithm but will
shortly.
The implementation is part of the optional extensions
module.

- James

Mark Nottingham wrote:
> Well, since you ask a leading question...
> 
> I have a demo implementation of a client at:
>  http://www.mnot.net/
rss/history/
> and my blog does the server side:
>  http://www.mnot.n
et/blog/index.atom
> 
> James Holderness has mentioned an implementation, and
the Apache abdera
> people seem to be planning something, based on their
repository. I know
> of other folks who are planning to integrate into
products and services,
> but I can't disclose anything more (I'd encourage them
to, of course).
> Anybody else?
> 
> The issue we're discussing here, though, isn't about
ambiguities in
> *this* spec, but rather in Atom itself; i.e., what does
a feed ID really
> identify?
> 
> Cheers,
> [snip]