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Re: Tone Generation single sample clipping
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2008-01-05 12:08:39
| From Martyn Shaw <martynshaw99googlemail.com> 
| Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:44:59 +0000
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] Tone Generation single sample
clipping
> James Crook wrote:
> > Me too.
> > 
> > I think now would be a good time to change the
default amplitude for 
> > tone, chirp and DTMF to 0.8.
> 
> I think you'll find that they already are. 

Not all of them were at the time - the ones that were
defaulted to 1.0
were changed between the time James wrote that and you
replied to it
(i.e. now).

> Gale is deliberately making clipped waveforms here.  

Actually I just had the temerity to create a tone at the
then default
amplitude Audacity offered (1.0), and to have Show Clipping
on (AKA
"testing"). It is a problem for a user who does
not know the reason why
the entire waveform of a tone should display solid red. And
if Show
Clipping worked on a run of three consecutive clipped
samples as the
meters do, and as Find Clipping defaults to, it would not
happen anyway.    

While I've got you, would you like to cast an eye over our
Manual page 
for Equalization: 
http://www.audacityteam.org/manual/index.php?titl
e=Equalization

for technical accuracy and anything missing that should be
said.

Also when I went over the equalizer I noticed that even in
Draw
Curves Mode, if you close Audacity with a named curve such
as RIAA 
last shown in the EQ window, when you open EQ after the
restart the 
RIAA curve is shown in the Select Curve box as
"Custom". Can that be
corrected or is there a technical reason it should do that?


Thanks 


Gale

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Re: Tone Generation single sample clipping
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2008-01-05 18:52:50

Gale Andrews wrote:
> | From Martyn Shaw <martynshaw99googlemail.com> 
> | Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:44:59 +0000
> | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Tone Generation single
sample clipping
>> James Crook wrote:
>>> Me too.
>>>
>>> I think now would be a good time to change the
default amplitude for 
>>> tone, chirp and DTMF to 0.8.
>> I think you'll find that they already are. 
> 
> Not all of them were at the time - the ones that were
defaulted to 1.0
> were changed between the time James wrote that and you
replied to it
> (i.e. now).

Apologies - I missed that one.  I see James changed Noise
and DTMF 
back on 22/12/7 (while I was on holiday).

>> Gale is deliberately making clipped waveforms here.
 
> 
> Actually I just had the temerity to create a tone at
the then default
> amplitude Audacity offered (1.0), and to have Show
Clipping on (AKA
> "testing").

As I said, deliberately making clipped (just clipped,
arguably) 
waveforms.  Tone and Chirp have had defaults at 0.8 since
chirp was 
committed by James on 10/8/6.

Testing is good.  Clipping being shown is good.  Testing
that clipping 
is shown is good.

 > It is a problem for a user who does not know the
reason why
 > the entire waveform of a tone should display solid
red. And if Show
 > Clipping worked on a run of three consecutive clipped
samples as the
 > meters do, and as Find Clipping defaults to, it would
not happen
 > anyway.

It would still happen on square waves, and a.n.user would
learn that 
clipping isn't a good thing.

> While I've got you, would you like to cast an eye over
our Manual page 
> for Equalization: 
> http://www.audacityteam.org/manual/index.php?titl
e=Equalization
> 
> for technical accuracy and anything missing that should
be said.

It's pretty good, I would say.  Did you write it?

Just a few comments for now:

Perhaps in the first Example one should click the 'Flat'
button first.

When switching from 'Draw curves' to 'Graphic EQ' mode, the
Equalizer 
does it's best to adjust the slider positions to give the
closest 
match to the drawing that you had.  It generally can't match
it 
perfectly, which is why it switches to 'custom'.

When switching from the 'Graphic EQ' to 'Draw curves' mode,
the 
Equalizer does it's best to reduce the number of control
points to 
still give about the same curve ('Graphic EQ' uses lots of
points, 
internally, and those will appear in EQCurves.xml if you
save a 
curve). If you had saved the curve in 'Graphic EQ' mode this
generally 
means that it will switch to 'custom'.

If you Load a curve saved in 'Graphic EQ' mode when you are
in
'Draw curves' mode, you will see the many points used
internally in 
the 'Graphic EQ' mode.

> Also when I went over the equalizer I noticed that even
in Draw
> Curves Mode, if you close Audacity with a named curve
such as RIAA 
> last shown in the EQ window, when you open EQ after the
restart the 
> RIAA curve is shown in the Select Curve box as
"Custom". Can that be
> corrected or is there a technical reason it should do
that? 

I'll have a think about that.  There are other things that
aren't 
quite right also, but all the while nobody has noticed I
figure we are ok!

Martyn

> Thanks 
> 
> 
> Gale
> 

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Re: Tone Generation single sample clipping
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2008-01-06 04:30:00
| From Martyn Shaw <martynshaw99googlemail.com> 
| Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:52:50 +0000
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] Tone Generation single sample
clipping
> > While I've got you, would you like to cast an eye
over our Manual page 
> > for Equalization: 
> > http://www.audacityteam.or
	g/manual/index.php?title=Equalization
> > 
> > for technical accuracy and anything missing that
should be said.
> 
> It's pretty good, I would say.  Did you write it?

Richard started it and I tidied it and expanded it. 

> Just a few comments for now:
> 
> Perhaps in the first Example one should click the
'Flat' button first.
> 
> When switching from 'Draw curves' to 'Graphic EQ' mode,
the Equalizer 
> does it's best to adjust the slider positions to give
the closest 
> match to the drawing that you had.  It generally can't
match it 
> perfectly, which is why it switches to 'custom'.
> 
> 
> When switching from the 'Graphic EQ' to 'Draw curves'
mode, the 
> Equalizer does it's best to reduce the number of
control points to 
> still give about the same curve ('Graphic EQ' uses lots
of points, 
> internally, and those will appear in EQCurves.xml if
you save a 
> curve). If you had saved the curve in 'Graphic EQ' mode
this generally 
> means that it will switch to 'custom'.
> 
> > If you Load a curve saved in 'Graphic EQ' mode
when you are in
> 'Draw curves' mode,	 you will see the many points used
internally in 
> the 'Graphic EQ' mode.

Thanks for that - I worked that in as economically as
possible, so
it should help with any user confusions when switching
mode.


Gale 

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