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country flaguser name
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    Rich,




Thank you. What I am attempting to do is:



Edit an existing recording of spoken material by adding some further spoken material.



For example - imagine I have recorded the following: “ Have a merry xmas. And I hope it does not snow on your parade.221; 



I would like to incorporate the phrase “and a Happy New Year’; so that the final recording is  R20;Have a merry xmas and a happy new year. And I hope it does not snow on your parade.221;



When I attempt to edit another track is created below the one I am trying to edit.




In other words there is one track containing “ Have a merry xmas. And I hope it does not snow on your parade.221; 



And another one: “and a Happy New Year’; 



And to incorporate the second into the first I have to copy and paste the second into the first.



I would prefer not to have to and I recall that when I used audacity many moons ago it was possible to edit directly into the track. What I mean by ‘edit directly into the track̵7; is that the new material appears in the existing track and not in a second track below the first one.



Norman






On 19/12/07 18:03, "Rich" <bluesharpacbell.net> wrote:




Norman - I didn't notice whether anyone else has answered your question, and I hope you don't mind my comments, but your question indicates to me that you haven't yet educated yourself in the necessary abstract concepts of digital audio editing.  I would like to point you towards the excellent tutorials, FAQs, and other information provided on Audacity's web site and on other places on the web, as well as to the myriad well-written books on the subject.  One cannot install Audacity and simply begin to edit recordings any more easily than one can become an author simply by installing some word processing software.

 

I have to also comment that your question isn't sufficiently coherent or well-worded for us to help you.  Specifically, the notion of "adding some material&quot; is impossibly vague, as is your notion of "recording directly into the track";.

 

Since these terms are not digital audio terms, and seem invented by you, I feel it would benefit you greatly - and enhance communication - if you would step back a number of steps and describe in non-technical and non-Audacity terms specifically what it is you are attempting to accomplish?

 

Rich

 

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Can someone please explain to me how to  edit in to a recording. I have made a voice recording and want to add some  material. Is the only way of doing it to create another track and copy and  paste it in or can one record directly into the track.



Many  thanks



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     country flaguser name
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     2007-12-19 16:35:59
  


  

    

  


  

    

Perfect.&nbsp; Now I can answer your 
question.  To my knowledge (unless you use the Audacity beta, with which I 
am less familiar), it is not possible to alter a track by recording something 
else over it, as one might with, say, an analog tape recorder.&nbsp; Once a 
track is recorded, it is immuatable in the sense you describe.&nbsp; However, 
now all is lost - in fact, I really like Audacity's usage model, which is 
this:&nbsp; Every time you click the 'Record' button, you will record a new 
track.


 


Here's where it gets way cool: ; 





 


Audacity has a builti-in rule, which 
states that "All tracks are implicitly mixed together when playing back the 
project or when exporting it to WAV or MP3". ; 


 


That means that, when you record the 
additional track with "...and a Happy New Year", the only issue (and I put 
'only' in quotes here) is that it plays back AT THE WRONG TIME.


 


Fortunately, there is an elegant 
solution.  Audacity has a 'time 
shit' tool, which is the little two-ended horizontal arrow in the cursor 
toolbox.  Once you click on that arrow, you are in "time shift mode".&nbsp; 
Now all you have to do is select the second recorded track and SLIDE IT TO THE 
RIGHT.&nbsp; Slide it so that it starts around when the first track ends, and 
tweak it until the speech cadence sounds natural.&nbsp; Voila!&nbsp; You're done 
- save the Project and then export it to whatever format you 
prefer.


 


If you want to get more sophisticated, 
fade out the first track, and fade in the second track at the 'slice' point, 
overlapping them slightly (using the Time Shit Tool again) so that the overlap 
is audibly imperceptible.


 


If you *really* want the recording in one 
track (which I'd emphasize is NOT necessary or even particularly recommended), 
select both tracks and then choose the "Quick Mix" function from Audacity's Main 
Menu.&nbsp; It will merge all selected tracks into one track.


 


Rich



  
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Rich,

Thank you. What I am attempting to do 
  is:

Edit an existing recording of spoken material by adding some 
  further spoken material.

For example - imagine I have recorded the 
  following: “ Have a merry xmas. And I hope it does not snow on your parade.” 
  

I would like to incorporate the phrase “and a Happy New Year’ so that 
  the final recording is  “Have a merry xmas and a happy new year. And I 
  hope it does not snow on your parade.”

When I attempt to edit another 
  track is created below the one I am trying to edit.

In other words 
  there is one track containing “ Have a merry xmas. And I hope it does not snow 
  on your parade.” 

And another one: “and a Happy New Year’ 

And 
  to incorporate the second into the first I have to copy and paste the second 
  into the first.

I would prefer not to have to and I recall that when I 
  used audacity many moons ago it was possible to edit directly into the track. 
  What I mean by ‘edit directly into the track’ is that the new material appears 
  in the existing track and not in a second track below the first 
  one.

Norman


On 19/12/07 18:03, "Rich" 
  <bluesharpacbell.net> wrote:


  
Norman - I didn't notice 
    whether anyone else has answered your question, and I hope you don't mind my 
    comments, but your question indicates to me that you haven't yet educated 
    yourself in the necessary abstract concepts of digital audio editing. 
     I would like to point you towards the excellent tutorials, FAQs, and 
    other information provided on Audacity's web site and on other places on the 
    web, as well as to the myriad well-written books on the subject.  One 
    cannot install Audacity and simply begin to edit recordings any more easily 
    than one can become an author simply by installing some word processing 
    software.

I have to also comment that 
    your question isn't sufficiently coherent or well-worded for us to help you. 
     Specifically, the notion of "adding some material" is impossibly 
    vague, as is your notion of "recording directly into the 
    track".

Since these terms are not 
    digital audio terms, and seem invented by you, I feel it would benefit you 
    greatly - and enhance communication - if you would step back a number of 
    steps and describe in non-technical and non-Audacity terms specifically what 
    it is you are attempting to accomplish?

Rich

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Hi, 

Can someone please explain 
      to me how to  edit in to a recording. I have made a voice recording 
      and want to add some  material. Is the only way of doing it to create 
      another track and copy and  paste it in or can one record directly 
      into the track.

Many  thanks

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Hello,

Can someone confirm the possibility of having two audacity
sessions
running simutaneously one the same machine, each on a
different soundcard.

Here's the situation :

- we're on air, broadcasting live three or four programs one
after the other

Here's the aim :

- one session records the first hour, while the other one
stands by
- when the first program ends, the other sessions starts
recording the
next program
- during the second recording, I have all the time needed,
to listen and
edit the first program, and to export it in .ogg

using a 4x4 analog i/o, or two identical soundcards, using
separate hds
with a different tmp folder for each session ?


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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect this scenario
is not feasible. 
The reason is that Audacity has no built-in notion of
simultaneous 
execution, and can only be configured for ONE
"temp" area, where the 
recordings take place.  All the simultaneous processes would
therefore 
co-mingle their temp files and fail, even if you could
associate separate 
processes with different sound cards (you can't do that
either).  Yours is 
certainly an interesting question.

I do have one possible solution: virtualization.  I know
very little about 
this, but essentially, you would boot 2 or more virtual
operating systems 
within one physical operating system.  Each virtual OS could
then run a 
separate copy of Audacity.  There is virtualization software
available for 
evaluation, but I don't have names, prices, or much else. 
You might have 
some success with a Google search.

There may be other ways to meet your requirements.  It might
be possible, 
for example, to transfer the in-progress Audacity recording
over a network 
to another computer, recover the files, and edit them on the
second 
computer.  You could then repeat that process every hour.

If you had as short as a 30-second break between each
hourlong session, the 
easiest thing to do would be to save the Audacity project,
and start a new 
project for the next hourlong session.  The saved project(s)
would then be 
available for editing.

One final thought:  Audacity is intense overkill for simple
recording 
purposes, since it uses a proprietary disk format which,
while ideal for 
multi-track editing with unlimited 'undo's, is both wasteful
and unnecessary 
for a simple off-the-air recording.  If you USED ANOTHER
SOFTWARE PRODUCT 
for your off-air recording, and then imported that product's
file(s) into 
Audacity each hour, you might accomplish your goals that
way.  You'd still 
need at least two sound cards (I think), but basic sound
cards are very 
inexpensive, often only around $10 on eBay for a 16-bit
SoundBlaster PCI 
card.

Rich
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Subject: [Audacity-users] <multiple sessions over multi
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> Hello,
>
> Can someone confirm the possibility of having two
audacity sessions
> running simutaneously one the same machine, each on a
different soundcard.
>
> Here's the situation :
>
> - we're on air, broadcasting live three or four
programs one after the 
> other
>
> Here's the aim :
>
> - one session records the first hour, while the other
one stands by
> - when the first program ends, the other sessions
starts recording the
> next program
> - during the second recording, I have all the time
needed, to listen and
> edit the first program, and to export it in .ogg
>
> using a 4x4 analog i/o, or two identical soundcards,
using separate hds
> with a different tmp folder for each session ?
>
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    Re:  <multiple sessions over multi
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     2007-12-20 10:56:18
  


  

    
Rich escreveu:
> I do have one possible solution: virtualization.  I
know very little about 
> this, but essentially, you would boot 2 or more virtual
operating systems 
> within one physical operating system.  Each virtual OS
could then run a 
> separate copy of Audacity.

I think that this is a good idea, in Windows XP it colud
possibly work 
easyly with "BufferZone". I don't know if there is
an equivelent 
solution for Linux.

There is also the problem of Audacity other instances and
refusing to run...

> There is virtualization software available for 
> evaluation, but I don't have names, prices, or much
else.  You might have 
> some success with a Google search.

Qemu and VMware are free and very good. But maybe the
latency become too 
big...

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     2007-12-20 10:44:59
  


  

    
I also had this problem. It is very annoying. I need to set
one for 
recording and leave it so, while I play and test
something...

Apparently there is no interest of Audacity developpers in
fixing this, 
and this is the *only* tool that does this. It is the only
reason to use 
other tools :( :( :( :(

Alain

gillesdivergence-fm.org escreveu:
> Hello,
> 
> Can someone confirm the possibility of having two
audacity sessions
> running simutaneously one the same machine, each on a
different soundcard.
> 
> Here's the situation :
> 
> - we're on air, broadcasting live three or four
programs one after the other
> 
> Here's the aim :
> 
> - one session records the first hour, while the other
one stands by
> - when the first program ends, the other sessions
starts recording the
> next program
> - during the second recording, I have all the time
needed, to listen and
> edit the first program, and to export it in .ogg
> 
> using a 4x4 analog i/o, or two identical soundcards,
using separate hds
> with a different tmp folder for each session ?
> 
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Do keep in mind that, until very recently, most computers
could not perform 
well enough to reliably support two or more simultaneous
instances of 
Audacity.  Once you had four or five tracks recorded, and
were playing them 
back while recording a new track, your CPU could get rather
busy even with 
one instance, and memory would get quite full.

Rich
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>I also had this problem. It is very annoying. I need to
set one for
> recording and leave it so, while I play and test
something...
>
> Apparently there is no interest of Audacity developpers
in fixing this,
> and this is the *only* tool that does this. It is the
only reason to use
> other tools :( :( :( :(
>
> Alain
>
> gillesdivergence-fm.org escreveu:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Can someone confirm the possibility of having two
audacity sessions
>> running simutaneously one the same machine, each on
a different 
>> soundcard.
>>
>> Here's the situation :
>>
>> - we're on air, broadcasting live three or four
programs one after the 
>> other
>>
>> Here's the aim :
>>
>> - one session records the first hour, while the
other one stands by
>> - when the first program ends, the other sessions
starts recording the
>> next program
>> - during the second recording, I have all the time
needed, to listen and
>> edit the first program, and to export it in .ogg
>>
>> using a 4x4 analog i/o, or two identical
soundcards, using separate hds
>> with a different tmp folder for each session ?
>>
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     2007-12-20 12:06:35
  


  

    
Salut Alain,

Yes, virtualization puts quite a load on both the CPU and
the disk, and uses 
more memory as well.  You'd probably need a fairly
contemporary dual-core 
CPU, a fast 7200 rpm hard disk, and 2GB of memory in order
to pull off this 
trick.  If I had to guess, I'd guess that nobody on this
list has attempted 
this feat.  Perhaps gillesdivergence-fm.org [name
unspecified] will lead 
the way for all of us.  Gilles, lease keep us posted if
there is any success 
(or failure, I suppose).

Rich

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multi cards>


>
> Rich escreveu:
>> I do have one possible solution: virtualization.  I
know very little 
>> about
>> this, but essentially, you would boot 2 or more
virtual operating systems
>> within one physical operating system.  Each virtual
OS could then run a
>> separate copy of Audacity.
>
> I think that this is a good idea, in Windows XP it
colud possibly work
> easyly with "BufferZone". I don't know if
there is an equivelent
> solution for Linux.
>
> There is also the problem of Audacity other instances
and refusing to 
> run...
>
>> There is virtualization software available for
>> evaluation, but I don't have names, prices, or much
else.  You might have
>> some success with a Google search.
>
> Qemu and VMware are free and very good. But maybe the
latency become too
> big...
>
> Alain
>
>
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     2007-12-20 13:55:08
  


  

    
Rich a écrit :
> Salut Alain,
>
> Yes, virtualization puts quite a load on both the CPU
and the disk, and uses 
> more memory as well.  You'd probably need a fairly
contemporary dual-core 
> CPU, a fast 7200 rpm hard disk, and 2GB of memory in
order to pull off this 
> trick.  If I had to guess, I'd guess that nobody on
this list has attempted 
> this feat.  Perhaps gillesdivergence-fm.org [name
unspecified] will lead 
> the way for all of us.  Gilles, lease keep us posted if
there is any success 
> (or failure, I suppose).
>
> Rich
>
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> To: "Discussion list for Audacity users" 
> <audacity-userslists.sourceforge.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] <multiple sessions
over multi cards>
>
>
>   
>> Rich escreveu:
>>     
>>> I do have one possible solution:
virtualization.  I know very little 
>>> about
>>> this, but essentially, you would boot 2 or more
virtual operating systems
>>> within one physical operating system.  Each
virtual OS could then run a
>>> separate copy of Audacity.
>>>       
>> I think that this is a good idea, in Windows XP it
colud possibly work
>> easyly with "BufferZone". I don't know if
there is an equivelent
>> solution for Linux.
>>
>> There is also the problem of Audacity other
instances and refusing to 
>> run...
>>
>>     
>>> There is virtualization software available for
>>> evaluation, but I don't have names, prices, or
much else.  You might have
>>> some success with a Google search.
>>>       
>> Qemu and VMware are free and very good. But maybe
the latency become too
>> big...
>>
>> Alain
>>     
Xen would also do it with with virtualization, but the
machine can't cope

Simply saving projects takes at least an extra hour work to
edit en
encode all the programs

given the price of a pc nowadays, the easy solution would be
to have a
second pc in the studio

or to change for another global achitecture (we're more and
more
thinking about switching to rivendell and audioscience
soundcards, but
we'd then need to translate the software into french)

I'll keep you informed

thanks for these fast answers

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    Re:  <multiple sessions over multi
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     2007-12-21 06:10:22
  


  

    
Hi
  I do not know whether audacity will allow to sessions to
run ,the sound 
card part is not the real problem, these days the machines
come with onboard 
sound and you install a second one and enable both ,both
will run , what I 
found that audacity has no default setting  so that as soon
as you changed 
to say making a mic recording audacity settings would
change.
  So I think as long as two audacity's can run one on each
sound card the 
problem would be whether or not the setting would stay there
??
    THANKYOU DAVE

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich" <bluesharpacbell.net>
To: "Discussion list for Audacity users" 
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] <multiple sessions over
multi cards>


> Do keep in mind that, until very recently, most
computers could not 
> perform
> well enough to reliably support two or more
simultaneous instances of
> Audacity.  Once you had four or five tracks recorded,
and were playing 
> them
> back while recording a new track, your CPU could get
rather busy even with
> one instance, and memory would get quite full.
>
> Rich
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alain M." <alainmpobox.com>
> To: "Discussion list for Audacity users"
> <audacity-userslists.sourceforge.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] <multiple sessions
over multi cards>
>
>
>>I also had this problem. It is very annoying. I need
to set one for
>> recording and leave it so, while I play and test
something...
>>
>> Apparently there is no interest of Audacity
developpers in fixing this,
>> and this is the *only* tool that does this. It is
the only reason to use
>> other tools :( :( :( :(
>>
>> Alain
>>
>> gillesdivergence-fm.org escreveu:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Can someone confirm the possibility of having
two audacity sessions
>>> running simutaneously one the same machine,
each on a different
>>> soundcard.
>>>
>>> Here's the situation :
>>>
>>> - we're on air, broadcasting live three or four
programs one after the
>>> other
>>>
>>> Here's the aim :
>>>
>>> - one session records the first hour, while the
other one stands by
>>> - when the first program ends, the other
sessions starts recording the
>>> next program
>>> - during the second recording, I have all the
time needed, to listen and
>>> edit the first program, and to export it in
.ogg
>>>
>>> using a 4x4 analog i/o, or two identical
soundcards, using separate hds
>>> with a different tmp folder for each session ?
>>>
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