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Here’;s Mike Phillips details:
Actually it is possible to do this as long as you realize the limitations of the 3-perf support in the software. Film Composer can track multiple gauges (at least 3 at a time if using the KN Start, Ink, and Aux Ink). Either the Ink or the Aux ink also allow mixing of gauges within the same column but not for 3-perf.
3-perf is only supported within the KN Start column. Add all 3-perf metadata to the KN Start column, then log all 4 perf metadata to the Ink number column. Be sure to adjust Ink Number settings beforehand in the “4257;lm settings.” Set it to display as KeyKode and count as 35mm, 4 perf.
The other limitation with 3-perf is that it cannot be displayed above the source/record monitors. But the cutlist created by the cutlist tool or FilmScribe will have frame accurate counts for both gauges. Just be sure to check the Keynumber and Ink number options.
Also, the cutlist can only display one running footage since it assumes that all of this needs to be cut together into a single strand of film, you may want to make two cutlists: one with a 3-perf running footage count, and the other with a 4-perf funning count depending on your final destination needs.
-Mike Walker
Encore Hollywood
From: Erik Beauchamp <erikb matchframevideo.com>
Reply-To: Avid-L Members <avid-l avid.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:03:37 -0700
To: Avid-L Members <avid-l avid.com>
Subject: Re: Mixing 3 perf/4 perf
Why not just save him the trouble? This email from Michael refers to mixing 35mm 3perf and 16mm but the concept is the same.

You don't have to make two projects to track multiple gauges. Create a
35mm 3 perf project and track the 3 perf material in the KN Start
column, then set the Ink Number column to be "display as KeyKode" and
"count as 16mm". From there everything is managed in a single project.
Depending on vesion of software, these Ink Numnber settings are set from
the Film/24p settings, in Xpress Pro and Adrnealine 5.0/2.0 and later
the mixed gauges are tracked within the bin iteslf with the proper
columns for the Ink and Aux Ink columns. Mixing gauges is easier to
manage.
In FilmScribe, select both KN START and Ink Number for the lists. One or
the other will be filled or blank depending on your source media. Any
version will do this.
For ALE inport, edit the ALE for the 16mm material as a test file and
change the KN STart column to be Ink Number before import. If on an
older system using the Film/24p settings, make sure the settngs are set
for KeyKode/16mm before doing the import (or logging of any kind).
Michael
Please search the archives for this issue. Michael Phillips has addressed 3
& 4-perf in the same project on MANY occasions. You don't need separate
projects and you don't need to keep material on separate tracks but you do
need to do some manipulating of the how data is kept in the bin.
-Mike Walker
Encore Hollywood
From: Mandy Jacobs <mjacobs condemned.com.au>
Reply-To: Avid-L Members <avid-l avid.com>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:11:25 +1000
To: Avid-L Members <avid-l avid.com>
Conversation: Mixing 3 perf/4 perf
Subject: Mixing 3 perf/4 perf
Hello all,
I am working on a 3perf 35mm 24p NTSC project using Media Composer v11 and
we will now be shooting on 4 perf also.
Any advice on how best to deal with this in the Avid?
Thanks in advance,
Mandy
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