Bleeding Threats

Hi all,

There are a few of us from Sensory on the list, and we're
working to get a
handle on the
basic admin side of things for Bleeding. 

Matt's departure leaves quite a hole - he was founder and
did a lot of the
basic and complex
work on the site doing a great job for a long time. We wish
him all the best
out in the
world applying that knowledge.

If you've got any questions directly for Sensory, please
don't hesitate to
email us at
besensorynetworks.com - whether its directly about
infrastructure
(something is broken)
or about with more general questions.

We're certainly happy to keep hosting non-Matt projects, so
please don't
hesitate to
contact us if you were relying on Matt in the past. The site
and most of the
infrastructure
has been on our hardware for quite a long time now and it
will continue like
that.

That said, if anyone in the community feels they can help
out, please either
jump in and
continue the good work that happens on the lists, or email
us and we'd be
happy to discuss
the direction of Bleeding.

You'll start to see more of us as we get across the various
moving parts
that are Bleeding Edge
Threats.


Darren

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Hello Darren,

Before I say anything else, I wish to express my thanks to
you and the
rest of the folks at Sensory for your sponsorship of the
infrastructure
in support of the bleeding-edge group of projects for the
last year or so.

Nevertheless, I have some concerns regarding the future
direction of the
project, brought on by recent events.

Firstly, I find it hard to believe that jonkman would have
voluntarily
stepped away from his role as project administrator without
a transition
that would have allowed the day-to-day operations of the
project to
continue without interruption. That this did not happen
leads me to
think that his departure was likely not voluntary and that
he was asked
to leave by Sensory. If so, I would like to understand why,
and how this
benefits the project going forward.

Secondly, if jonkman's departure was at the behest of
Sensory, the
apparent lack of willingness or ability on behalf of Sensory
to engineer
such a transition themselves does not reassure me as to
their intentions
towards the project. What are the plans of Sensory Networks
for the
bleeding-edge project, both in the immediate future and for
the long term?

Finally, as bleeding-edge is an open-source community
project, I think
it would be best for any discussions to take place on this
list and/or
in the IRC channel, rather than in private emails between
individuals
and Sensory.

CP
 

Darren Williams wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> There are a few of us from Sensory on the list, and
we're working to get a
> handle on the
> basic admin side of things for Bleeding. 
>
> Matt's departure leaves quite a hole - he was founder
and did a lot of the
> basic and complex
> work on the site doing a great job for a long time. We
wish him all the best
> out in the
> world applying that knowledge.
>
> If you've got any questions directly for Sensory,
please don't hesitate to
> email us at
> besensorynetworks.com - whether its directly about
infrastructure
> (something is broken)
> or about with more general questions.
>
> We're certainly happy to keep hosting non-Matt
projects, so please don't
> hesitate to
> contact us if you were relying on Matt in the past. The
site and most of the
> infrastructure
> has been on our hardware for quite a long time now and
it will continue like
> that.
>
> That said, if anyone in the community feels they can
help out, please either
> jump in and
> continue the good work that happens on the lists, or
email us and we'd be
> happy to discuss
> the direction of Bleeding.
>
> You'll start to see more of us as we get across the
various moving parts
> that are Bleeding Edge
> Threats.
>
>
> Darren
>
>
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=+
>   Darren Williams, Chief Executive Officer
>   [E] darren.williamssensorynetworks.com
>   [W] www.sensorynetworks.com
>
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>
>
>
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On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:01 -0800, Darren Williams wrote:
> If you've got any questions directly for Sensory,
please don't hesitate to
> email us at
> besensorynetworks.com - whether its directly about
infrastructure
> (something is broken)
> or about with more general questions.
[...]
> That said, if anyone in the community feels they can
help out, please either
> jump in and
> continue the good work that happens on the lists, or
email us and we'd be
> happy to discuss
> the direction of Bleeding.


Hey Darren,

glad to see things will continue as they exist. I'm
continuing the
maintenance on the rules as I had done in the past (though
not recently
as work has kept me pretty busy. Will have more time
shortly).

For starters, I'm reviewing the current rule and am making
changes, like
fixing Label errors or moving rules into their proper
category. I can
still do that in CVS directly as I have in the past.

However, Matt always had to run a
"bleeding-update" script. With him
gone, and me not having access to that, I'll have to rely on
you guys to
do that while you guys learn more about Matts
Script-O-Ductape-Matic-Bleeding-Wonder-Machine.

Who do I email when I'm done with the updates so you can run
the update
script?

Cheers,
Frank





-- 
It is said that the Internet is a public utility. As such,
it is best
compared to a sewer. A big, fat pipe with a bunch of crap
sloshing
against your ports.


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On Thu, 2007-11-22 at 16:48 -0600, Frank Knobbe wrote:
> > That said, if anyone in the community feels they
can help out, please either
> > jump in and
> > continue the good work that happens on the lists,
or email us and we'd be
> > happy to discuss
> > the direction of Bleeding.
> 

> For starters, I'm reviewing the current rule and am
making changes, like
> fixing Label errors or moving rules into their proper
category. I can
> still do that in CVS directly as I have in the past.


Uhm... guys. I can't resolve cvs.bleedingthreats.net
anymore.
cvs-dev.bleedingthreats.net, which I always used for
updates, worked a
bit earlier, but it doesn't resolve anymore at the moment.
Upon
checking, not even www.bleedingthreats.net seems to resolve.


It appears that DNS has been changed to
aplus01.boldlygoingnowhere.org
and 1and1.boldlygoingnowhere.org, which don't resolve, and
the name
doesn't inspire much confidence.

Is this the end for BleedingEdge?

Concerned,
Frank


-- 
It is said that the Internet is a public utility. As such,
it is best
compared to a sewer. A big, fat pipe with a bunch of crap
sloshing
against your ports.


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Thanks Frank,

Sounds great - we can certainly arrange to get the updates
out - email
besensorynetworks.com

It might make more sense to sort out a decent mechanism for
it to happen
beyond poking someone over email. We'll look in to it.


Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Knobbe [mailto:frankknobbe.us] 
Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 2:48 PM
To: darren.williamssensorynetworks.com; Bleeding Sigs
Subject: Re: [Bleeding-sigs] Bleeding Threats

On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:01 -0800, Darren Williams wrote:
> If you've got any questions directly for Sensory,
please don't hesitate to
> email us at
> besensorynetworks.com - whether its directly about
infrastructure
> (something is broken)
> or about with more general questions.
[...]
> That said, if anyone in the community feels they can
help out, please
either
> jump in and
> continue the good work that happens on the lists, or
email us and we'd be
> happy to discuss
> the direction of Bleeding.


Hey Darren,

glad to see things will continue as they exist. I'm
continuing the
maintenance on the rules as I had done in the past (though
not recently
as work has kept me pretty busy. Will have more time
shortly).

For starters, I'm reviewing the current rule and am making
changes, like
fixing Label errors or moving rules into their proper
category. I can
still do that in CVS directly as I have in the past.

However, Matt always had to run a
"bleeding-update" script. With him
gone, and me not having access to that, I'll have to rely on
you guys to
do that while you guys learn more about Matts
Script-O-Ductape-Matic-Bleeding-Wonder-Machine.

Who do I email when I'm done with the updates so you can run
the update
script?

Cheers,
Frank





-- 
It is said that the Internet is a public utility. As such,
it is best
compared to a sewer. A big, fat pipe with a bunch of crap
sloshing
against your ports.


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Thanks CP,

I don't think the transition happened quite like Matt or SN
was thinking,
but
the reality is that we didn't ask Matt to leave, but
certainly do understand
his
position - like most of us he has a life outside of
Bleeding. Matt's still 
actively answering questions etc as we sort through some
issues, and there
was no great falling out.

Our plans? Hopefully to keep it mostly running how it has
been. Absolutely 
this means that other people have to get involved, but such
is the life of
any long lived project. For SN we're in the exact same
position we've been
for
some time- we are happy to continue providing the basic
resources
(bandwidth,
machines, etc) Bleeding needs, but for it to be a useful to
the community it
still needs lots of input from a variety of sources. 

I'm happy to have discussions on and off list. Lots of
discussions make
sense
off-list - particularly random admin issues. But that's
about practicality,
not
anything else, so feel free post to the list too. (That
said- particularly
for
admin issues that should be attended too promptly - I'd
highly recommend
cc'ing
besensorynetworks.com as they may get handled quicker)


Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: bleeding-sigs-bouncesbleedingthreats.net
[mailto:bleeding-sigs-bouncesbleedingthreats.net] On
Behalf Of CunningPike
Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 12:53 PM
To: Bleeding Sigs
Subject: Re: [Bleeding-sigs] Bleeding Threats

Hello Darren,

Before I say anything else, I wish to express my thanks to
you and the
rest of the folks at Sensory for your sponsorship of the
infrastructure
in support of the bleeding-edge group of projects for the
last year or so.

Nevertheless, I have some concerns regarding the future
direction of the
project, brought on by recent events.

Firstly, I find it hard to believe that jonkman would have
voluntarily
stepped away from his role as project administrator without
a transition
that would have allowed the day-to-day operations of the
project to
continue without interruption. That this did not happen
leads me to
think that his departure was likely not voluntary and that
he was asked
to leave by Sensory. If so, I would like to understand why,
and how this
benefits the project going forward.

Secondly, if jonkman's departure was at the behest of
Sensory, the
apparent lack of willingness or ability on behalf of Sensory
to engineer
such a transition themselves does not reassure me as to
their intentions
towards the project. What are the plans of Sensory Networks
for the
bleeding-edge project, both in the immediate future and for
the long term?

Finally, as bleeding-edge is an open-source community
project, I think
it would be best for any discussions to take place on this
list and/or
in the IRC channel, rather than in private emails between
individuals
and Sensory.

CP
 

Darren Williams wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> There are a few of us from Sensory on the list, and
we're working to get a
> handle on the
> basic admin side of things for Bleeding. 
>
> Matt's departure leaves quite a hole - he was founder
and did a lot of the
> basic and complex
> work on the site doing a great job for a long time. We
wish him all the
best
> out in the
> world applying that knowledge.
>
> If you've got any questions directly for Sensory,
please don't hesitate to
> email us at
> besensorynetworks.com - whether its directly about
infrastructure
> (something is broken)
> or about with more general questions.
>
> We're certainly happy to keep hosting non-Matt
projects, so please don't
> hesitate to
> contact us if you were relying on Matt in the past. The
site and most of
the
> infrastructure
> has been on our hardware for quite a long time now and
it will continue
like
> that.
>
> That said, if anyone in the community feels they can
help out, please
either
> jump in and
> continue the good work that happens on the lists, or
email us and we'd be
> happy to discuss
> the direction of Bleeding.
>
> You'll start to see more of us as we get across the
various moving parts
> that are Bleeding Edge
> Threats.
>
>
> Darren
>
>
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=+
>   Darren Williams, Chief Executive Officer
>   [E] darren.williamssensorynetworks.com
>   [W] www.sensorynetworks.com
>
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=+
>
>
>
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On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 11:39 +1100, System Administrator
wrote:
> I think the problem might be that it is trying to
contact
> 1and1.boldlygoingnowhere.org, which I don't think
exists any more.  At
> the moment we only have 1 DNS server working for all of
Bleeding
> Threats, but that is the same situation we were in
about a month ago.


Hey Colin,

you guys have 6 name servers under your control that serve
sensorynetworks.com. Why not move bleedingthreats.net to
those, or at
least ns1-ns4.sensorynetworks.com? That should provide a
more stable
DNS, don't you think?

Cheers,
Frank

-- 
It is said that the Internet is a public utility. As such,
it is best
compared to a sewer. A big, fat pipe with a bunch of crap
sloshing
against your ports.


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