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using class 1 dongle
user name
2007-04-07 16:40:00
hi,
   I am using class 1 dongle which says it has 100 mt range , but to my surprise using this dongle i cannot search my mobile phone which are even around 30 - 40 mts.

Are there any special commands which should be issued to the microprocessor in the dongle so that its full range can be exploited.
 
and

Are there any set of instruction by which i can verify the range of the dongle.

Also can anyone tell me about the class 1 dongle they use , their experience and the range to which their dongle can detect devices.

regards
siddhant
Re: using class 1 dongle
user name
2007-04-08 03:19:33
The "100 metre" range depends on both devices
being class 1.  If you
have a class 1 device talking to a class 2 (10m) device,
your maximum
range may be higher than 10 metres due to the increased
transmit power
and recieve sensitivity, but won't be anything like 100m.

Unlike 802.11 there is no user-adjustable transmit power
either,
you're stuck with the dongle figuring that out for you.

If your phone is class1 (a few are, but 99.5% are class2)
then you
genuinely have an issue, which could be as simple as a wall
in the way
which is blocking the signal, or as difficult as your
neighbour having
a leaking microwave oven.

On 08/04/07, siddhant tewari <siddhant.tewarigmail.com> wrote:
> hi,
>    I am using class 1 dongle which says it has 100 mt
range , but to my
> surprise using this dongle i cannot search my mobile
phone which are even
> around 30 - 40 mts.
>
> Are there any special commands which should be issued
to the microprocessor
> in the dongle so that its full range can be exploited.
>
> and
>
> Are there any set of instruction by which i can verify
the range of the
> dongle.
>
> Also can anyone tell me about the class 1 dongle they
use , their experience
> and the range to which their dongle can detect
devices.
>
> regards
> siddhant
>
>
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Re: using class 1 dongle
user name
2007-04-10 08:17:28
hi Thomas,
&nbsp; &nbsp;   ; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;   Really great to get a answer ... i think my mobile phone has class 2 bt adapter ... but this issue is a real shock for me ... i thought if any of the devices has a good range , communication channel will be established and data transfer will take place , but all this theory goes in vain .

Can u tell  why this things happen (both the devices should be class 1 ) or where can i look  for the reasons for such a behavior, because i need to inform this to one of my project head and knowing the reason will always help ......

waiting for reply

regards
siddhant

On 4/8/07, Thomas Kear < thomas.keargmail.com">thomas.keargmail.com> wrote:
The "100 metre"; range depends on both devices being class 1. &nbsp;If you
have a class 1 device talking to a class 2 (10m) device, your maximum
range may be higher than 10 metres due to the increased transmit power
and recieve sensitivity, but won't be anything like 100m.

Unlike 802.11 there is no user-adjustable transmit power either,
you're stuck with the dongle figuring that out for you.

If your phone is class1 (a few are, but 99.5% are class2) then you
genuinely have an issue, which could be as simple as a wall in the way
which is blocking the signal, or as difficult as your neighbour having
a leaking microwave oven.

On 08/04/07, siddhant tewari < siddhant.tewarigmail.com">siddhant.tewarigmail.com> wrote:
>; hi,
>&nbsp; &nbsp; I am using class 1 dongle which says it has 100 mt range , but to my
> surprise using this dongle i cannot search my mobile phone which are even
> around 30 - 40 mts.
>
> Are there any special commands which should be issued to the microprocessor
> in the dongle so that its full range can be exploited.
>
>; and
>
&gt; Are there any set of instruction by which i can verify the range of the
> dongle.
&gt;
> Also can anyone tell me about the class 1 dongle they use , their experience
> and the range to which their dongle can detect devices.
&gt;
> regards
&gt; siddhant
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Re: using class 1 dongle
country flaguser name
New Zealand
2007-04-10 15:47:53
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, siddhant tewari wrote:
>                  Really great to get a answer ... i
think my mobile phone
> has class 2 bt adapter ... but this issue is a real
shock for me ... i
> thought if any of the devices has a good range ,
communication channel will
> be established and data transfer will take place , but
all this theory goes
> in vain .
The problem is as simple as transmit power.  As wikipedia
helpfully shows 
(http://en
.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Uses), class 1 devices can
have 40 
times the transmit power of class 2 devices, the class 1
connecting to class 
2 problem comes down to that past a certain range, the class
2 device does 
not have a high enough transmit power for its signal to
reach the reciever 
(2.4GHz signals are eaten particularly fast by everything in
their path, 
including air).

As i outlined before, the higher transmit power in a class 1
device will come 
coupled to a higher sensitivity reciever, but that's not
going to get you 
100m.  If you had got the 30-40 metres you were attempting
in your original 
email you would have been extremely lucky.

The problem is there are very few phones that come with
class 1 bluetooth, 
100mW transmit power is a little hard on battery life.  If
you want a 
challenge though, find a class1 bluetooth adapter that has a
dipole aerial 
rather than the usual circuit board trace and attach a
bigger one.

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