Interesting case study: NYT uses Bricoalge for real estate sites?

Anyone have any details about this:
http://www.eosdirectory.com/case_study/project/137/B
ricolage

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Phillip Smith,
Simplifier of Technology
Community Bandwidth

On Aug 14, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Phillip Smith wrote:
> Anyone have any details about this:
> http://www.eosdirectory.com/case_study/project/137/B
ricolage

Well, here's the NYT Home Finance Center:

http://homefinanc
e.nytimes.com/nyt/

FWIW, the URL structure of this section is quite unlike the
URL  
structure in much of the rest of the NYT site.

Best,
Waldo

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One West Range, Box 400223
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22904-4223
434-924-3124

On Aug 14, 2007, at 9:42 AM, Waldo Jaquith wrote:

> On Aug 14, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Phillip Smith wrote:
>> Anyone have any details about this:
>> http://www.eosdirectory.com/case_study/project/137/B
ricolage
>
> Well, here's the NYT Home Finance Center:
>
> http://homefinanc
e.nytimes.com/nyt/
> FWIW, the URL structure of this section is quite unlike
the URL  
> structure in much of the rest of the NYT site.


Familiar looking pagination on those stories. Interesting.


> Virginia Quarterly Review

And this ^^^^ site?

Not sure if folks here are using any "social
bookmarking" tools like  
del.icio.us? If so, I've been tagging any sites, case
studies,  
articles, etc. that I've come across recently with the tag 

"bricolage.cc," e.g.: http://del.icio.u
s/tag/bricolage.cc

(the .cc seems to keep things separate from the conceptual
bricolage  
stuff, i.e.: http://del.icio.us/t
ag/bricolage)

Anyway, if you're using del.icio.us, ma.gnolia.com, or
anything that  
allows tags, it would be great if you'd quickly tag
Bricolage-related  
stuff with "bricoalge.cc"



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Phillip Smith,
Simplifier of Technology
Community Bandwidth

On Aug 15, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Phillip Smith wrote:
>> Virginia Quarterly Review
>
> And this ^^^^ site?

We haven't made an official decision to move to Bricolage,
but there  
just isn't any viable alternative for a publication that
isn't  
looking to roll their own CMS, so we'll inevitably make the
decision  
soon enough.  David Wheeler was enormously helpful when we
first  
started evaluating Bricolage about a year ago, which is how
we  
decided to investigate it more fully.  We moved to
commercial  
hosting, rather than continue to enjoy free hosting from our
 
university, because the server requirements for Bricolage
are so  
unusual.  Just a couple of weeks ago we asked our host to
install  
Bricolage for so we can do a full evaluation, which I
understand  
presents them with a considerable challenge, but they think
they can  
do it. It's the Apache 1.X requirement (and all the
dependencies that  
come with it) that really makes things tough. But we'll get
it  
done...if the good lord's willing and the creek don't rise.

VQR is an 82-year-old publication.  We tend to take the long
view of  
things. 

Best,
Waldo

---
Virginia Quarterly Review
One West Range, Box 400223
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22904-4223
434-924-3124

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Waldo Jaquith wrote:
> Just a couple of weeks ago we asked our host to install
Bricolage for so we
> can do a full evaluation, which I understand presents
them with a
> considerable challenge, but they think they can do it.
It's the Apache 1.X
> requirement (and all the dependencies that come with
it) that really makes
> things tough.

I think hosting providers must claim this so they can
extract more
money out of people. I easily installed both apache 1.3 and
2.0
on my workstation-cum-server just by installing the
packages.

On Aug 15, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Scott Lanning wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Waldo Jaquith wrote:
>> Just a couple of weeks ago we asked our host to
install Bricolage  
>> for so we can do a full evaluation, which I
understand presents  
>> them with a considerable challenge, but they think
they can do it.  
>> It's the Apache 1.X requirement (and all the
dependencies that  
>> come with it) that really makes things tough.
>
> I think hosting providers must claim this so they can
extract more  
> money out of people. I easily installed both apache 1.3
and 2.0 on  
> my workstation-cum-server just by installing the
packages.

I installed Bricolage on a fresh Fedora Core install on a
rack server  
a few months ago, so that we could evaluate it.  I'm no
stranger to  
dependency hell.  This was much worse.  This was dependency 

purgatory, and I descended through several levels of it. 
First  
mod_perl, then Perl, then the RAID drivers.  Then it got
ugly.  I  
ended up having to use some ancient version of FC so that I
could get  
both decent support for the hard drive and the right version
 
mod_perl, if I recall correctly.  The whole server was
flaky, though,  
and it wasn't long before I abandoned the attempt entirely.

This hosting company I trust implicitly.  They've kept me
very well  
informed throughout the process of setting up the server,
telling me  
about the specific conflicts that had arisen between
software  
versions and what their proposed solution was.  They're
largely the  
same sort of problems that I encountered before.  Managed
hosting is  
all about having the boxes be identical and up-to-date (but
certainly  
not bleeding edge) -- solving problems like those presented
by a  
Bricolage install have to be scalable and universalizable
across the  
entire server farm.  You and I can do all sorts of things to
our  
workstations/servers that we would never do across a server
farm.

Bricolage is just really difficult to set up, as a result of
the  
environment that it requires.  The people who use it have
already  
gotten it set up, and so don't see that as an obstacle.  And
it's  
hard to be invested enough in a software product that one
cannot use  
to bother to make the improvements necessary to make it more
easily  
installable.  It's a bugbear of FOSS.

Best,
Waldo

---
Virginia Quarterly Review
One West Range, Box 400223
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22904-4223
434-924-3124

Gossamer Threads is specializing in hosting bricolage
installations.

http://www.gossamer-
threads.com/, talk to Alex alexgossamer- 
threads.com.

Phillip and I already have some clients with them on a
shared server.  
You can also get a dedicated server. There are trying to
find the  
most economical way to manage and update bricolage installs.
They  
will get better at what this do as more people host with
them.

Dawn Buie

On 15-Aug-07, at 10:22 AM, Waldo Jaquith wrote:

> On Aug 15, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Phillip Smith wrote:
>>> Virginia Quarterly Review
>>
>> And this ^^^^ site?
>
> We haven't made an official decision to move to
Bricolage, but  
> there just isn't any viable alternative for a
publication that  
> isn't looking to roll their own CMS, so we'll
inevitably make the  
> decision soon enough.  David Wheeler was enormously
helpful when we  
> first started evaluating Bricolage about a year ago,
which is how  
> we decided to investigate it more fully.  We moved to
commercial  
> hosting, rather than continue to enjoy free hosting
from our  
> university, because the server requirements for
Bricolage are so  
> unusual.  Just a couple of weeks ago we asked our host
to install  
> Bricolage for so we can do a full evaluation, which I
understand  
> presents them with a considerable challenge, but they
think they  
> can do it. It's the Apache 1.X requirement (and all the
 
> dependencies that come with it) that really makes
things tough. But  
> we'll get it done...if the good lord's willing and the
creek don't  
> rise.
>
> VQR is an 82-year-old publication.  We tend to take the
long view  
> of things. 
>
> Best,
> Waldo
>
> ---
> Virginia Quarterly Review
> One West Range, Box 400223
> University of Virginia
> Charlottesville, VA 22904-4223
> 434-924-3124
>

On Aug 15, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Dawn Buie wrote:
> Gossamer Threads is specializing in hosting bricolage
installations.
>
> http://www.gossamer-
threads.com/, talk to Alex alexgossamer- 
> threads.com.
>
> Phillip and I already have some clients with them on a
shared  
> server. You can also get a dedicated server. There are
trying to  
> find the most economical way to manage and update
bricolage  
> installs. They will get better at what this do as more
people host  
> with them.

Though I appreciate the suggestion, there is a very, very
narrow list  
of vendors that we're permitted to work with, under state
and  
university regulations.  And we certainly can't go outside
of  
Virginia, unless that vendor were willing to sign a contract
stating  
that any disputes would be resolved under Virginia law. 
That  
resulting contract would have to be reviewed by the
university  
counsel's office, who would inevitably make a number of
changes that,  
again, the vendor would have to agree to.

This is true for a great many public institutions.  Though I
 
appreciate the reasons why these restrictions exist, they  
significantly reduce our flexibility in many regards.

Best,
Waldo

---
Virginia Quarterly Review
One West Range, Box 400223
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22904-4223
434-924-3124

On Aug 14, 2007, at 06:37, Phillip Smith wrote:

> Anyone have any details about this:
> http://www.eosdirectory.com/case_study/project/137/B
ricolage

Bummer, it's a 404 now.

Best,

David

I can still get to it.


On Oct 5, 2007, at 1:13 AM, David E. Wheeler wrote:

> On Aug 14, 2007, at 06:37, Phillip Smith wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any details about this:
>> http://www.eosdirectory.com/case_study/project/137/B
ricolage
>
> Bummer, it's a 404 now.
>
> Best,
>
> David
>