Re: Ubuntu UK Forums

> This is something that has cropped up several times in
the year or so I have
> been a member of the team.
>
> I suggested it myself sometime back and volunteered to
build a site for the
> purpose, but the overwhelming voice of opinion at the
time was that the majority
> of the team prefer e-mail circulars. Personally, I
don't, and I find reading a
> thread on a website in date order much easier than half
a dozen e-mails

I don't - to be honest - see why we have to choose one or
the other.
Surely both forums and mailing lists can be used, with
people choosing
their favorite.

Anything important and urgent enough to demand the immediate
attention
of all group members could be posted on both the forum and
mailing
list. It's only a case of cut and paste.

> I am all for a discussion forum though and will happily
build one if people will
> use it andor if there are no other volunteers. But I
don't think the majorty of
> the membership will want it.
>
> Ted

Implementation doesn't have to be too hard either.
UbuntuForums will
provide a forum to any LoCo team making a request for one. I
for one
would prefer to use a forum, but will use a mailing list in
conjunction with it. I think this matter is important enough
to have
proper vote on.

Chris

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On 19/03/07, Chris Rowson <christopherrowsongmail.com> wrote:
> I don't - to be honest - see why we have to choose one
or the other.
> Surely both forums and mailing lists can be used, with
people choosing
> their favorite.
>
> Anything important and urgent enough to demand the
immediate attention
> of all group members could be posted on both the forum
and mailing
> list. It's only a case of cut and paste.

The concern was about splitting the community into two,
since some who
favour mailing lists (myself included) will not regularly
visit a
forum and vice versa.

The problem with cut-and-paste is the same problem as
cutting and
pasting code in a program - it's better to have things in
just one
place. If you cut-and-paste, the thread will diverge
quickly.

> [snip]
>
> Implementation doesn't have to be too hard either.
UbuntuForums will
> provide a forum to any LoCo team making a request for
one. I for one
> would prefer to use a forum, but will use a mailing
list in
> conjunction with it. I think this matter is important
enough to have
> proper vote on.

The preferred suggestion was to use a list-to-forum gateway,
and it
was mentioned that (at least) one of the other forums on
UbuntuForums
was already using a suitable system. I don't remember
hearing anything
after this though.


Hwyl,
Neil.

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In regards to the Forums Vs Mail List Vs IRC vs Wiki

Every form of communication and expression we have at our
disposal
should be utilised in as much or as little an framework as
possible. It
is hard to determine the vectors into which a new member or
interested
user might become integrated into the community and
therefore not easy
to set a preferred mandate for that communication.

This particular thread has been created multiple times and
goes to
demonstrate the issues both forum and mail list which all
new and
prospective contributors face and it is therefore a shame
that it is a
potentially volatile one.

The community manager has in the past expressed  a desire to
go for the
low hanging and easy to gather fruits and I suspect that
this requires a
more inclusive and open framework for people to take part in
the Ubuntu
community especially within the UK.

To this end a few Ubuntu UK members are evaluating and
testing , on
separate lists and forum areas, integration of mail to forum
and vice a
versa. When testing is completed and only if the results
are
satisfactory will we discuss the relevance of integration
between the
two mediums. If you do have any questions  or concerns  I
would ask that
you direct them to me, clearly marked in the subject line,
and I will,
if appropriate,  add them to the testing prerogatives for
the
evaluation. Needless to say if the results are a big scary
hairy mess we
will post this somewhere useful and leave it in a FAQ of
some variety
for developers to resolve in the future.


Thanks again for your time and for reading this .


Nik Butler
Ubuntu-UK



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On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 22:04 +0000, Nik Butler wrote:
> In regards to the Forums Vs Mail List Vs IRC vs Wiki

What about Usenet?  There may not be the numbers available
yet for a
specific UK Ubuntu Usenet newsgroup, but I can see it being
productive
further down the line.

I don't think a Usenet newsgroup would be something that
would replace
anything else, though - instead, something that caters to
people who
prefer Usenet.  Usenet groups have their advantages and
disadvantages,
sure, but I'd love to have the option.

As for Forums - I like them, but don't even get close to
reading all the
posts - the Ubuntu ones seem to be very popular

Mailing Lists - Never liked them, but find them productive -
I read
pretty much everything

Usenet - More open than the above two, but vulnerable to the
problems
this can entail.  Again, I don't read all the posts, but I
find them
more manageable than Forums

Wiki - Good, but more static than the rest and, apart from
some cases, I
don't think the teamwork's there yet

IRC - Never got into it



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> I am happy with this list in its current form.  I
happen to like gmane
> via NNTP and if pressed (i.e. not using my own
machine)will use the web
> interface.  So I agree with Robin's conclusion albeit
for different reasons.
>

I'll take a look at this NNTP /gname interface - sounds
interesting. I
wonder if it'd be a good idea to have some kind of tutorial
outlining
it - perhaps as an alternative to users who want forums.

Chris

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