print history

Hello,

I'm the system administrator for a school. Quite frequently,
I get a 
request from a staff person to look at a student's browsing
history.

Is there an easy way to get a report of the history in plain
text or 
pdf. The "Print" option under File is not able to
be selected when 
viewing the history.

I looked at the history.dat file and have not been able to
find an easy 
way to generate a plain text report of the student's
history. I tried: 
grep "http" history.dat , but that didn't work so
well.

Any thoughts on how other schools are handling this would
great.

thanks,

Matthew

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Le 20 févr. 08 à 05:50, Mark Knopper a écrit :

> Oh, true, sorry. But in the spirit of using the tools
that are
> provided by the system, how about just displaying the
history in the
> window and capturing and printing the window?
> 	Mark
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2008, at 11:38 PM, Stuart Morgan wrote:
>
>> On Feb 19, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Mark Knopper wrote:
>>
>>> There is a way to show print history in Leopard
(apart from Camino).
>>> Go to System Preferences, Print & Fax,
double-click the printer to
>>> show its queue, then do Jobs->Show Completed
Jobs.
>>
>> That would be a history of print jobs, not a
printout of browsing
>> history...
>>
>> -Stuart
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Le 20 févr. 08 à 07:03, Michael Watson a écrit :

> And when a student has deleted the history first? What
information
> will your screenshot contain?
>
>
> --
> m-s
>
>
> On 19 Feb, 2008, at 23:50, Mark Knopper wrote:
>
>> Oh, true, sorry. But in the spirit of using the
tools that are
>> provided by the system, how about just displaying
the history in the
>> window and capturing and printing the window?
>> 	Mark
>>
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2008, at 11:38 PM, Stuart Morgan wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Mark Knopper
wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a way to show print history in
Leopard (apart from  
>>>> Camino).
>>>> Go to System Preferences, Print & Fax,
double-click the printer to
>>>> show its queue, then do Jobs->Show
Completed Jobs.
>>>
>>> That would be a history of print jobs, not a
printout of browsing
>>> history...
>>>
>>> -Stuart
>>>
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Le 20 févr. 08 à 05:38, Stuart Morgan a écrit :

> On Feb 19, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Mark Knopper wrote:
>
>> There is a way to show print history in Leopard
(apart from Camino).
>> Go to System Preferences, Print & Fax,
double-click the printer to
>> show its queue, then do Jobs->Show Completed
Jobs.
>
> That would be a history of print jobs, not a printout
of browsing
> history...
>
> -Stuart
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On Feb 19, 2008 1:09 PM, Matthew Metzger <newsmetzger.cc> wrote:
> I'm the system administrator for a school. Quite
frequently, I get a
> request from a staff person to look at a student's
browsing history.

Before answering the technical question, let me ask the
obligatory
mailing list question: "What are you really trying to
accomplish"? If
the request is intended in to look for any kind of
inappropriate
usage, then no answer we can give will actually help; it's
trivial to
delete history entries from within Camino, and we don't make
any
attempt to keep an audit-able or tamper-proof record. If
that's the
intent, then what you'd really need to do is something
server-side
(e.g., use proxies, and log information about requests there
by the
requesting machine).

However, if you are looking for information that there is
no
expectation that students would want to hide (looking at how
students
do research on the internet, or something of that nature):

> Is there an easy way to get a report of the history in
plain text or
> pdf. The "Print" option under File is not
able to be selected when
> viewing the history.

The history file is in the notoriously painful Mork format
(which
we'll move away from once we have time). However, someone
wrote a tool
to extract useful text from it, which is available at:
http://www.jwz.org/h
acks/mork.pl
If you run it on ~/Library/Application
Support/Camino/history.dat
you'll get most of the raw data you are looking for
(especially if you
use -vv).

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Stuart Morgan wrote:
> On Feb 19, 2008 1:09 PM, Matthew Metzger <newsmetzger.cc> wrote:
>> I'm the system administrator for a school. Quite
frequently, I get a
>> request from a staff person to look at a student's
browsing history.
> 
> Before answering the technical question, let me ask the
obligatory
> mailing list question: "What are you really trying
to accomplish"? If
> the request is intended in to look for any kind of
inappropriate
> usage, then no answer we can give will actually help;
it's trivial to
> delete history entries from within Camino, and we don't
make any
> attempt to keep an audit-able or tamper-proof record.
If that's the
> intent, then what you'd really need to do is something
server-side
> (e.g., use proxies, and log information about requests
there by the
> requesting machine).
> 
> However, if you are looking for information that there
is no
> expectation that students would want to hide (looking
at how students
> do research on the internet, or something of that
nature):
> 
>> Is there an easy way to get a report of the history
in plain text or
>> pdf. The "Print" option under File is not
able to be selected when
>> viewing the history.
> 
> The history file is in the notoriously painful Mork
format (which
> we'll move away from once we have time). However,
someone wrote a tool
> to extract useful text from it, which is available at:
> http://www.jwz.org/h
acks/mork.pl
> If you run it on ~/Library/Application
Support/Camino/history.dat
> you'll get most of the raw data you are looking for
(especially if you
> use -vv).
> 
> -Stuart

Hello Stuart,

thanks so much for the quick response!

You are absolutely right about the "What are you trying
to accomplish?" 
question. I know the situation full well, but our Dean of
Student Life 
is always asking for a browser history, even when I've
explained 
multiple times that it isn't an accurate report.

The perl mork tool is exactly the type of thing that I was
looking for 
to make giving such a report easier. I'll do some
experimenting with it.

thanks again for your time and the helpful response.

-Matthew

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Oh, true, sorry. But in the spirit of using the tools that
are  
provided by the system, how about just displaying the
history in the  
window and capturing and printing the window?
	Mark


On Feb 19, 2008, at 11:38 PM, Stuart Morgan wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Mark Knopper wrote:
>
>> There is a way to show print history in Leopard
(apart from Camino).
>> Go to System Preferences, Print & Fax,
double-click the printer to
>> show its queue, then do Jobs->Show Completed
Jobs.
>
> That would be a history of print jobs, not a printout
of browsing
> history...
>
> -Stuart
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And when a student has deleted the history first? What
information  
will your screenshot contain?


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On 19 Feb, 2008, at 23:50, Mark Knopper wrote:

> Oh, true, sorry. But in the spirit of using the tools
that are
> provided by the system, how about just displaying the
history in the
> window and capturing and printing the window?
> 	Mark
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2008, at 11:38 PM, Stuart Morgan wrote:
>
>> On Feb 19, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Mark Knopper wrote:
>>
>>> There is a way to show print history in Leopard
(apart from Camino).
>>> Go to System Preferences, Print & Fax,
double-click the printer to
>>> show its queue, then do Jobs->Show Completed
Jobs.
>>
>> That would be a history of print jobs, not a
printout of browsing
>> history...
>>
>> -Stuart
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