Re: Lost Passwords?

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Aric Guite <aguitegmail.com> wrote:
>  I agree with mostly everything you've said, except
with the the part
>  that implies that if another application (be it Safari
or otherwise)
>  deletes my Camino passwords, I'm going to have to just
live with it.

In addition to Florian's point, which is a good one, I don't
see where
I implied that. I explained how to file a bug against the
software
that is actually doing the deletion that people are unhappy
about,
which isn't at all the same thing as telling you to
"just live with
it".

If you downloaded Foo, a bookmark management program that
had a reset
button that, whenever you pressed it, unexpectedly deleted
all of
Camino's bookmarks (because it used them as a source), would
you
expect us to change the file Camino stores bookmarks in so
that Foo
wouldn't find it any more, or would you complain to the
developer of
Foo, and stop using that button in Foo in the meantime?

I'm confused at what seems to be a perception that it is
unreasonable
to say that the right place for Safari behavior to be
changed is in
Safari, rather than Camino. If I checked in code that made
Reset
Camino have the same behavior that Safari has/had, would you
email
Apple and tell them that Safari must stop using the standard
keychain
system in order to prevent data loss?

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Noemi <nufferpipeline.com> wrote:
>  It's counterintuitive to be unable to reset one
browser for fear of
>  losing data you want to use in the other.

Then I suggest that you contact the developers of any
browser with a
reset function that has that behavior; Camino is not one of
them.

-Stuart
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I will admit that I spoke perhaps too harshly.

I agree that Safari is screwing up here, but if it is as
trivial to  
write software (maliciously or otherwise) that will delete
any subset  
of the keychain as you say, then my keychain isn't safe at
all. I'm  
trying to understand how I can protect it beyond writing bug
reports  
(which I did, right after you suggested it). Because the
data I create  
with your software is vulnerable to changes or deletions
made by other  
software (and is also changing the behavior of your
software), I want  
to know that I'm pursuing all avenues in the interest of
making sure  
it never happens again.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

-Aric




On 10-Mar-08, at 4:56 PM, Stuart Morgan wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Aric Guite
<aguitegmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree with mostly everything you've said, except
with the the part
>> that implies that if another application (be it
Safari or otherwise)
>> deletes my Camino passwords, I'm going to have to
just live with it.
>
> In addition to Florian's point, which is a good one, I
don't see where
> I implied that. I explained how to file a bug against
the software
> that is actually doing the deletion that people are
unhappy about,
> which isn't at all the same thing as telling you to
"just live with
> it".
>
> If you downloaded Foo, a bookmark management program
that had a reset
> button that, whenever you pressed it, unexpectedly
deleted all of
> Camino's bookmarks (because it used them as a source),
would you
> expect us to change the file Camino stores bookmarks in
so that Foo
> wouldn't find it any more, or would you complain to the
developer of
> Foo, and stop using that button in Foo in the
meantime?
>
> I'm confused at what seems to be a perception that it
is unreasonable
> to say that the right place for Safari behavior to be
changed is in
> Safari, rather than Camino. If I checked in code that
made Reset
> Camino have the same behavior that Safari has/had,
would you email
> Apple and tell them that Safari must stop using the
standard keychain
> system in order to prevent data loss?
>
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Noemi <nufferpipeline.com> wrote:
>> It's counterintuitive to be unable to reset one
browser for fear of
>> losing data you want to use in the other.
>
> Then I suggest that you contact the developers of any
browser with a
> reset function that has that behavior; Camino is not
one of them.
>
> -Stuart
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