Trimming and Quoting Oh My!

Just a polite request. Would it be possible for:

 1. people to trim quotes? It'd be really nice to not have
to wade
 through a couple of hundred lines of the initial post in a
thread being
 re-quoted every time someone replies.

 2. people to quote properly? Half the time these days I
have no clue
 who's added what to a post - usually because (I presume)
they're
 posting HTML/multipart messages and using colouring nor
">" markers to
 distinguish quoted and new content.

Sorry if this spouts a MUA and/or top-posting flamewar. It's
not my
intention; I'd just like to be able to read the list
properly (again).

Cheers,

Chisel
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On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 11:16:54PM +0100, Chisel Wright
wrote:
> Just a polite request. Would it be possible for:
> 
> 
>   The first rule of ultra-violet pen club is no-one
discusses ultra-violet
>+pen club.
>   The second rule is always replace the cap.

3. People with plain text sigs with hard returns to keep the
damn things
to 78 chars

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Chisel Wright wrote:
> Just a polite request. Would it be possible for:
> 
>  1. people to trim quotes? It'd be really nice to not
have to wade
>  through a couple of hundred lines of the initial post
in a thread being
>  re-quoted every time someone replies.
> 
>  2. people to quote properly? Half the time these days
I have no clue
>  who's added what to a post - usually because (I
presume) they're
>  posting HTML/multipart messages and using colouring
nor ">" markers to
>  distinguish quoted and new content.
> 
> Sorry if this spouts a MUA and/or top-posting flamewar.
It's not my
> intention; I'd just like to be able to read the list
properly (again).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chisel
[with full message in tact]

http://use.pe
rl.org/~Ovid/journal/33776


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Hi Christopher,

look, it’s pretty simple: I like to help because it’s
fun. If it
becomes work, I lose interest. Make me jump through hoops to
read
your stuff and I just won’t. I assume I’m not the only
one.

Draw your own conclusions, make your own call.

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On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:57:26AM -0400, Christopher H.
Laco wrote:
> The UsePerl post wasn't mine, but I feel akin to it. If
people are
> participating in helping people, or asking for help via
email, don't
> bitch about their email format. The alternative is that
no one wants to
> participate on the list because rather than getting
help, they're
> accosted by the email format police.

I wasn't trying to get all "email reply nazi" on
everyone's ass. It just
seems to me that the list has become increasingly difficult
to
read/parse over the last few weeks.

I was just hoping that people *might* want to consider
trimming
unnecessary [and often] chunks of quoted material, just to
"keep the
flow".

Also, if I'm looking at a post and it looks like the one I
just read,
but with a different author, I'm not going to take the time
to diff the
two posts on the off chance that there's something in there
that might
be useful, or even rarer, that I can offer assistance with.

I know I'm not a prominent poster on this list, but from
time to time I
do have answers and opinions that may actually be relevant.

Skipping over unreadable postings drastically reduces the
chances of me
spotting that one post in six months that I can help with.

I'll just go back to skim-reading and lurking.

Chisel
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i want to adopt side posting as a standard. I like that
concept.

emacs box-edit mode or some such crap ...

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"I know I'm not a prominent poster on this list, but
from time to time I
do have answers and opinions that may actually be
relevant."

you're doing better than me mate, and it's never stopped me
from
talking out of my arse.

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On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 11:58:53PM +0100, Matt S Trout
wrote:
> 3. People with plain text sigs with hard returns to
keep the damn things
> to 78 chars

*blush*

Fixed, for its next random insertion *fnar*.

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On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:57:26AM -0400, Christopher H.
Laco wrote:
> The world is full of battles; this need not be one of
them.

But don't you see? Your "no holy wars" stance is
itself a religious
position. Perhaps I just don't spend enough time on Usenet,
but I don't
know anyone who actually *flames* people for their mail
format or
quoting style. (It could be said that not knowing such
people means I
spend exactly the right amount of time on Usenet.) The
"mail format
police" seems to exist entirely in the imagination of
people like you,
sir, trying to calm down holy wars that aren't really there


Let's not all put our peacemaker hats on over one friendly
post
reminding people to write in a way that people can easily
read and
understand. I agree with the OP to the extent that this list
seems to
frequently send me mail that I skip because there isn't any
content on
the first screenfull, but OTOH it seems to infrequently send
me mail
that I skip because the sender can't write comprehensible
English. I
suppose on the whole it balances out. But it's still
reasonable to
encourage reader-friendly quoting styles, just as it's still
reasonable
to encourage people to spell correctly.

In his original post, Mr. Wright apologized for potentially
starting an
MUA or quoting flamewar. I don't think he anticipated
starting a
flamewar flamewar.

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this thread reminds me of why I sometimes wish I'd gone into
marketing.

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