CMS

Catalyst makes it easy to build a site with lots of little
modules of
content composing a single page - the actual content
(words/images)
being scattered in static apache directories, the database,
the
templates folders and the code. At some point a content
management
system of some type is needed.

While I hand-roll this sort of thing now it might be nice to
have a
standard module with perhaps a rich editor and HTML form, or
it might
be more powerful with the ability to manage various
stories/images on
disk or db, and integrate uploads even, like some of the
portal
building systems do. Perhaps one integrated well with
Catalyst could
also allow the user to select template files to use in a
given part of
the screen to replace not just on a story basis but on a div
basis.

I'd just like to ask if anyone uses a CMS (beyond just
hand-rolling
for each instance) or has been seeing similar needs. I think
much
development time is spent on creating object management
interfaces
which perhaps could be boiled down to some repetitive
functionality.

Matt Rosin

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On 8/23/07, Matt Rosin <telebodygmail.com> wrote:
> Catalyst makes it easy to build a site with lots of
little modules of
> content composing a single page - the actual content
(words/images)
> being scattered in static apache directories, the
database, the
> templates folders and the code. At some point a content
management
> system of some type is needed.

Next year I will have a need for a CMS that:

 - multi-user
 - tracks changes
 - allows previewing
 - is perl
 - doesn't impose a templating system
 - extensible
 - is open source
 - works with my cat site

> I'd just like to ask if anyone uses a CMS (beyond just
hand-rolling
> for each instance) or has been seeing similar needs. I
think much
> development time is spent on creating object management
interfaces
> which perhaps could be boiled down to some repetitive
functionality.

I've not even looked at my options yet.  I just know I'm
going to need
one.  I don't know that I need a 'CMS', as most of them seem
to have
too many damned features.

What I really want is a multi-user template editor with
change
tracking, and a cat app that can talk to same... so that the
app can
run in 'preview' mode.

That just gave me an idea...

-- 
Cory 'G' Watson
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Cory Watson wrote:
> Next year I will have a need for a CMS that:
> 
>  - multi-user
>  - tracks changes
>  - allows previewing
>  - is perl
>  - doesn't impose a templating system
>  - extensible
>  - is open source
>  - works with my cat site

If you want sledgehammers, Bricolage and Krang are probably
the beefiest 
ones you can find 

www.bricolage.cc & www.krangcms.com

They'll do all that you want (less perhaps a certain amount
of 
flexibility in the templating dept) but could well be
overkill.

I'm not aware of any lighter tools but would be very happy
to find one.

Simon.

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On 8/23/07, Simon Wilcox <simonwdigitalcraftsmen.net>
wrote:
> If you want sledgehammers, Bricolage and Krang are
probably the beefiest
> ones you can find 
>
> www.bricolage.cc & www.krangcms.com

Bricolage I was aware of, but krang is new to me.

> They'll do all that you want (less perhaps a certain
amount of
> flexibility in the templating dept) but could well be
overkill.

What I (think) I'm after is an RCS-like system for the
templates with
a view in Cat that knows how to retrieve the current
template(s).

So the user edits, creating their own versions, then hits
the site
with arguments that tell the view to get that user's edits
over HEAD.

So perhaps I'll look ino creating the former, then using
something
like the TT DBIC provider (which I'm not sure I ever got
working
right) to get HEAD.

> I'm not aware of any lighter tools but would be very
happy to find one.

I'll keep the list posted...

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Incidentally the dev site does list something called EasyCMS
but I
read somewhere that it is defunct and won't work with
current version
of Catalyst. Obviously lots of people have thought about
this..
Matt Rosin

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I have used Joomla in the past for a fairly busy community
website I run
on the side. When I first learned about Catalyst first thing
I did was
look for what cool CMS was created using it. Unfortunately I
didn't find
anything ready to go live. I definitely think we need one
but for it to
actually be effective and actually get done it shouldn't be
over
engineered. I would really like to see a good skeleton of a
CMS that
gets a lot of the annoying stuff taken care of and allows
for full
customization. I probably can't do too much development on
it but I can
help out with the specs, features, wireframes, and roadmap
if needed.

Another thing I think is missing from our community is a
good catalyst
based forum software. We need this pretty bad in my opinion
because I
hate using the other ones out there. Especially since every
week there
is a new vulnerability in each one. A good forum and a good
CMS will
probably come very handy for us. I know django framework has
its own CMS
and admin tool built in. Haven't used it but the idea its
built in is
very cool.

Thanks,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Rosin [mailto:telebodygmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:28 AM
To: catalystlists.rawmode.org
Subject: [BULK] - [Catalyst] CMS

Catalyst makes it easy to build a site with lots of little
modules of
content composing a single page - the actual content
(words/images)
being scattered in static apache directories, the database,
the
templates folders and the code. At some point a content
management
system of some type is needed.

While I hand-roll this sort of thing now it might be nice to
have a
standard module with perhaps a rich editor and HTML form, or
it might be
more powerful with the ability to manage various
stories/images on disk
or db, and integrate uploads even, like some of the portal
building
systems do. Perhaps one integrated well with Catalyst could
also allow
the user to select template files to use in a given part of
the screen
to replace not just on a story basis but on a div basis.

I'd just like to ask if anyone uses a CMS (beyond just
hand-rolling for
each instance) or has been seeing similar needs. I think
much
development time is spent on creating object management
interfaces which
perhaps could be boiled down to some repetitive
functionality.

Matt Rosin

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On 8/23/07, John Wang <johncwanggmail.com> wrote:
> For while I've been thinking it would be nice to have a
Cat-based CMS with
> multiple features built on top of a platform. The
platform can include basic
> things like Authn, Authz, Sessions, a basic user schema
and pre-built HTML.
> The pre-built HTML can include
controllers/templates/etc for registration,
> login/logout, openid, etc. Then on top of the platform
you can have
> plug-and-play features like forums, blogs, photo
galleries, surveys etc. If
> it was built the right way, you could have your choice
of forums, etc. You
> can also only load the features that you want. I'm not
sure how easy this
> would be to do but I think it would be neat.

This is precisely what I DON'T want.  I want something
manages and
version my templates and then a view that lets Cat retrieve
the
appropriate template through some means.

Not that what you describe wouldn't be nice to have, just
not for me atm. ;)

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On 8/23/07, Cory Watson <jheephatgmail.com> wrote:
> I want something manages and
> version my templates and then a view that lets Cat
retrieve the
> appropriate template through some means.

You can do something like that with Krang or Bricolage. 
They both
publish files rather than serving the content themselves. 
You can
publish files that are templates for your Catalyst app to
use, and
even publish metadata files with them that tell the app how
to behave
on this page.  We did something like this with Krang at Plus
Three,
using CGI::Application to serve the published templates. 
There's a
thread in the Catalyst archives with more details about it.

However, both Krang and Bricolage are far more complicated
than RCS.
They handle permissions, workflow, and templating of static
pages.
That may be more than you want.

- Perrin

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