Re: Catalyst::Controller::Rose::Simple

Alexandre Jousset wrote on 9/20/07 11:41 AM:
>     Hello Matt,
> 
> Matt S Trout wrote:
>>>     Feel free to ask me any question you want.
>>
>> Why haven't you submitted patches to the existing
C-C-Rose?
>>
>> Any module called '-Simple' usually means
"there was an existing module
>> that worked but I'm too lazy to patch it" -
please justify why that isn't
>> the case here 
> 
>     Well, I wasn't meaning that kind of question but
hey, I said "any 
> question you want" ...
> 
>     Seriously, this is of course a good question, so
here is my answer.
> 
>     I'm sure I haven't your experience but for me (and
also for Peter 
> Karman, C::C::Rose author), the suffix
"::Simple" (suggested by him) 
> means "Take all that [what already exists, i.e.
Catalyst and Rose] and 
> make it simpler to use together".

Alexandre,

Actually, I had suggested you use ::Simple because in your
original email to me, 
(a) you had indicated you intended to use C::C::Rose, but
with an API similar to 
the FormBuilder philosophy, and (b) you had a working title
of 
C::C::Rose::FormManager, which I thought would be
misleading, since all the 
existing C::C::Rose: classes
also manage forms.

As you indicate below, you don't use any of the C::C::Rose
code, design or 
philosophy, so sharing the namespace seems misleading at the
very least.
So I'd prefer it if you used a difference namespace
altogether. I believe the 
latest best practice recommendation is to use the CatalystX
top-level space. 
Perhaps something like CatalystX::RHTMLOManager or similar.


> 
>     In fact I don't even use its modules in mine since
the goals are not 
> the same and the functionalities don't overlap. The key
point is that 
> you can see it as the C::C::FormBuilder module
reimplemented for Rose 
> (and that was really the case).
> 
>     At first, on Peter's advice, I looked at
C::C::Rose: but I did
not 
> found anything relevant for what I was trying to do.
> 

I'd like to encourage you in your efforts at making the Rose
projects easier to 
use with Catalyst. Since you've got a different approach to
what "easy" means 
than I do, starting with a namespace that clearly delineates
your project from 
mine seems to be in your best interest.

pek

-- 
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Peter Karman a écrit :
> Alexandre Jousset wrote on 9/20/07 11:41 AM:
>>     I'm sure I haven't your experience but for me
(and also for Peter 
>> Karman, C::C::Rose author), the suffix
"::Simple" (suggested by him) 
>> means "Take all that [what already exists,
i.e. Catalyst and Rose] and 
>> make it simpler to use together".
 >
> Actually, I had suggested you use ::Simple because in
your original 
> email to me, (a) you had indicated you intended to use
C::C::Rose, but 
> with an API similar to the FormBuilder philosophy, and
(b) you had a 
> working title of C::C::Rose::FormManager, which I
thought would be 
> misleading, since all the existing C::C::Rose: classes
also manage forms.

	First, I am sorry to have spoken for you. I thought we were
OK on that...

> As you indicate below, you don't use any of the
C::C::Rose code, design 
> or philosophy, so sharing the namespace seems
misleading at the very least.
> So I'd prefer it if you used a difference namespace
altogether. I 
> believe the latest best practice recommendation is to
use the CatalystX 
> top-level space. Perhaps something like
CatalystX::RHTMLOManager or 
> similar.

	Well... I don't mind to call it something else, so now I'm
just (once 
again) looking for a good name.
CatalystX::<Something>, ok. 
CatalystX::RHTMLOManager, NOK because it also deals
optionally with RDBO 
and I would like to mention this fact, and I think the best
way is to 
use the "Rose" name.

	CatalystX::RoseIntegrator? 

	My only concern is that a search on CPAN with
"Catalyst" and "Rose" 
should make it show up.
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