Distribution update and centosplus

Hi,
number of RPMs in CentosPlus 4.4 is increasing slowly, but
is
increasing. Although it is mentioned in CentosPlus
readme.txt:
exclusions, release within a few days, etc. I think that
Centos update
should have to be released together with CentosPlus. Update
would be
much more simpler, easier, and transparent.
David Hrb��
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On 8/31/06, David Hrb�� <hrbac.confseznam.cz> wrote:
> Hi,
> number of RPMs in CentosPlus 4.4 is increasing slowly,
but is
> increasing. Although it is mentioned in CentosPlus
readme.txt:
> exclusions, release within a few days, etc. I think
that Centos update
> should have to be released together with CentosPlus.
Update would be
> much more simpler, easier, and transparent.
> David Hrb��

The CentOS team is quite small and we're working on this
for free.
Donations of cash, hardware, and talent are welcome to help
improve
the project.

-- 
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes
a revolutionary act.
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On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 14:56 +0200, David Hrbáč wrote:
> Hi,
> number of RPMs in CentosPlus 4.4 is increasing slowly,
but is
> increasing. Although it is mentioned in CentosPlus
readme.txt:
> exclusions, release within a few days, etc. I think
that Centos update
> should have to be released together with CentosPlus.
Update would be
> much more simpler, easier, and transparent.
> David Hrbáč

I'm not sure what the question is ...

CentOSPlus was updated for the 4.4 update cycle.

(As in we updated the packages there to newer versions and
got
everything 4.4 ready)

If you mean that more stuff from dev.centos.org needs to be
moved into
centosplus ... tell people to add comments to the trackers. 
As far as I
can tell, nobody new has used any of that stuff in months
(based on them
telling us it is ready to move in).

The only one that I know of actively getting hit is backuppc
...

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes
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Johnny Hughes napsal(a):
> I'm not sure what the question is ...
The point is that we have RPMs in centosplus to extend the
fuctionality
not found in upstream builds. Let's say postfix. I guess,
there's a lot
 of centos instances running postfix-mysql. So the point is,
that I
think we should release OS update with centosplus together,
at the same
time. Community will handle delay a day more. I mean, if
building a new
OS takes cca 14 days and CentosPlus is built a day or two
after, dev
team should release all together after 15-16 day. Do you get
me?

> If you mean that more stuff from dev.centos.org needs
to be moved into
> centosplus ... tell people to add comments to the
trackers.  As far as I
> can tell, nobody new has used any of that stuff in
months (based on them
> telling us it is ready to move in).
No. I'm not talking about dev.

Regards,
David
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Jim Perrin napsal(a):
> 
> The CentOS team is quite small and we're working on
this for free.
> Donations of cash, hardware, and talent are welcome to
help improve
> the project.

Well, I would call this 'marketing talks'. There's whole
bunch of people
in this list trying to help and even offering the help. So
please do not
cry the team is small. There's no rule how to became the
CentOs
developer, as far I have not seen any invitation in lists
even. I'm
trying to improve/push Centos with every my post.
David
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On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 12:59 +0200, David Hrbáč wrote:
> Jim Perrin napsal(a):
> > 
> > The CentOS team is quite small and we're working
on this for free.
> > Donations of cash, hardware, and talent are
welcome to help improve
> > the project.
> 
> Well, I would call this 'marketing talks'. There's
whole bunch of people
> in this list trying to help and even offering the help.
So please do not
> cry the team is small. 

I won't comment on that as what I would say is not publicly
acceptable.

We have standards that we have to meet to get the packages
out the door
and testing that must be done.

There is the issue of who gets the private key and how do we
get group
work time when we have people all over the world.

There is the transfer time of ISOs so that others can review
/ test
them.

Building the packages takes 1-2 days ... testing them,
installing them,
comparing them to upstream packages, etc ... that takes
time.

> There's no rule how to became the CentOs
> developer, as far I have not seen any invitation in
lists even. I'm
> trying to improve/push Centos with every my post.

We are glad you want to help and we encourage it.  How to
become a
member of the CentOS team is to ask.  

If you have an open source background (ie, have participated
on help
site, have worked on an opensource project in the past,
etc.).  If you
want to help, answer questions in the forum, etc.

How not to become a CentOS developer is to call one out on a
public
mailinglist.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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Johnny Hughes napsal(a):
> 
> I won't comment on that as what I would say is not
publicly acceptable.
> 
> We have standards that we have to meet to get the
packages out the door
> and testing that must be done.
Johnny, I'm not criticizing the building time not even the
release
process. Please, see my other post.

> How not to become a CentOS developer is to call one out
on a public
> mailinglist.

Well I had to write: I did not see any post a new person has
joined the
dev team in announce list. So pointing the team is small is
unfair.
David

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On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 01:47:23PM +0200, David Hrbáč
wrote:
> > How not to become a CentOS developer is to call
one out on a public
> > mailinglist.
> 
> Well I had to write: I did not see any post a new
person has joined the
> dev team in announce list. So pointing the team is
small is unfair.

Johnny actually invited me once for the packager team.
Unfortunately
I had to decline, due to my unreliable time avaliability.

So I have to say that, as far as I noticed, they do keep an
eye out
to get new people with the necessary background (I had 3+
years
experience as a packager for a Linux distribution).

The catch is that packaging for a distribution is much more
complex
than many people, including the ocasional packager, believe,
so there
aren't that many pre-qualified candidates. As for people
willing to
learn the job, well, in that case they have to ask, don't
they ?

- -- 
Rodrigo Barbosa
"Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur"
"Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill &
Ted (Wyld Stallyns)

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On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 06:17 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 12:59 +0200, David Hrbáč wrote:
> > Jim Perrin napsal(a):
> > > 
> > > The CentOS team is quite small and we're
working on this for free.
> > > Donations of cash, hardware, and talent are
welcome to help improve
> > > the project.
> > 
> > Well, I would call this 'marketing talks'.
There's whole bunch of people
> > in this list trying to help and even offering the
help. So please do not
> > cry the team is small. 
> 
> I won't comment on that as what I would say is not
publicly acceptable.
> 
> We have standards that we have to meet to get the
packages out the door
> and testing that must be done.
> 
> There is the issue of who gets the private key and how
do we get group
> work time when we have people all over the world.
> 
> There is the transfer time of ISOs so that others can
review / test
> them.
> 
> Building the packages takes 1-2 days ... testing them,
installing them,
> comparing them to upstream packages, etc ... that takes
time.
> 
> > There's no rule how to became the CentOs
> > developer, as far I have not seen any invitation
in lists even. I'm
> > trying to improve/push Centos with every my post.
> 
> We are glad you want to help and we encourage it.  How
to become a
> member of the CentOS team is to ask.  
> 
> If you have an open source background (ie, have
participated on help
> site, have worked on an opensource project in the past,
etc.).  If you
> want to help, answer questions in the forum, etc.
> 
> How not to become a CentOS developer is to call one out
on a public
> mailinglist.
> 
> Thanks,
> Johnny Hughes
> 

As Johnny has stated to help CentOS, you only need to ask.

During the life of 4.3 I mentioned in IRC that I wanted to
give CentOS
4.4 a new look unique to CentOS and asked for opinion on my
idea. The
response was good and after discussion with Johnny, other
CentOS devs
and other users who lurk in #centos-devel, I went away threw
some
prototypes together and came back with them. Once folks were
happy, I
made all the art and code changes and rolled new srpms,
tested them and
when I was happy submitted them to Johnny. They then fell
into the 4.4
beta and went through the normal process described to go
into what is
now CentOS 4.4.

It's that easy to contribute if you want to.

Regards

Phil



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On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 00:25 +0100, Philip Wyett wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 06:17 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 12:59 +0200, David Hrbáč
wrote:
> > > Jim Perrin napsal(a):
> > > > 
> > > > The CentOS team is quite small and
we're working on this for free.
> > > > Donations of cash, hardware, and talent
are welcome to help improve
> > > > the project.
> > > 
> > > Well, I would call this 'marketing talks'.
There's whole bunch of people
> > > in this list trying to help and even offering
the help. So please do not
> > > cry the team is small. 
> > 
> > I won't comment on that as what I would say is
not publicly acceptable.
> > 
> > We have standards that we have to meet to get the
packages out the door
> > and testing that must be done.
> > 
> > There is the issue of who gets the private key and
how do we get group
> > work time when we have people all over the world.
> > 
> > There is the transfer time of ISOs so that others
can review / test
> > them.
> > 
> > Building the packages takes 1-2 days ... testing
them, installing them,
> > comparing them to upstream packages, etc ... that
takes time.
> > 
> > > There's no rule how to became the CentOs
> > > developer, as far I have not seen any
invitation in lists even. I'm
> > > trying to improve/push Centos with every my
post.
> > 
> > We are glad you want to help and we encourage it. 
How to become a
> > member of the CentOS team is to ask.  
> > 
> > If you have an open source background (ie, have
participated on help
> > site, have worked on an opensource project in the
past, etc.).  If you
> > want to help, answer questions in the forum, etc.
> > 
> > How not to become a CentOS developer is to call
one out on a public
> > mailinglist.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Johnny Hughes
> > 
> 
> As Johnny has stated to help CentOS, you only need to
ask.
> 
> During the life of 4.3 I mentioned in IRC that I wanted
to give CentOS
> 4.4 a new look unique to CentOS and asked for opinion
on my idea. The
> response was good and after discussion with Johnny,
other CentOS devs
> and other users who lurk in #centos-devel, I went away
threw some
> prototypes together and came back with them. Once folks
were happy, I
> made all the art and code changes and rolled new srpms,
tested them and
> when I was happy submitted them to Johnny. They then
fell into the 4.4
> beta and went through the normal process described to
go into what is
> now CentOS 4.4.
> 
> It's that easy to contribute if you want to.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Phil
> 

And I would like to thank Phil for the new look ... I like
it alot 
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