Timeline for C5 beta / final?

All,

Does anyone have a timeline for the CentOS 5 release
candidates and/or 
final?

Thanks,
-Josh

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Joshua Kramer wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> Does anyone have a timeline for the CentOS 5 release
candidates and/or 
> final?

We will aim to have the CentOS-5 Final release within 2
weeks of 
upstream release. So far, based on news around ETA upstream
looks like 
15th March.

- KB


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On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 10:54:05PM +0000, Karanbir Singh
wrote:
> Joshua Kramer wrote:
> >
> >All,
> >
> >Does anyone have a timeline for the CentOS 5
release candidates and/or 
> >final?
> 
> We will aim to have the CentOS-5 Final release within 2
weeks of 
> upstream release. So far, based on news around ETA
upstream looks like 
> 15th March.

Karan,
	I'm asking, obviously, for a guess here.

	How viable do you think it will be to do an upgrade from
4.4 to 5 on a live system, based on what you've seen on the
beta ?

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On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 14:12 -0200, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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> On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 10:54:05PM +0000, Karanbir
Singh wrote:
> > Joshua Kramer wrote:
> > >
> > >All,
> > >
> > >Does anyone have a timeline for the CentOS 5
release candidates and/or 
> > >final?
> > 
> > We will aim to have the CentOS-5 Final release
within 2 weeks of 
> > upstream release. So far, based on news around ETA
upstream looks like 
> > 15th March.
> 
> Karan,
> 	I'm asking, obviously, for a guess here.
> 
> 	How viable do you think it will be to do an upgrade
from
> 4.4 to 5 on a live system, based on what you've seen on
the beta ?
> 

My personal opinion is that it is about the same is an
upgrade from
CentOS-3 to CentOS-4 ... doable, but painful ... and in the
end,
probably not worth the effort.

Let's see what KB has to say :P

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On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 02:44:19PM -0600, Johnny Hughes
wrote:
> > Karan,
> > 	I'm asking, obviously, for a guess here.
> > 
> > 	How viable do you think it will be to do an
upgrade from
> > 4.4 to 5 on a live system, based on what you've
seen on the beta ?
> > 
> 
> My personal opinion is that it is about the same is an
upgrade from
> CentOS-3 to CentOS-4 ... doable, but painful ... and in
the end,
> probably not worth the effort.

I have at least 1 machine I'll have to do it. And, guess
what ? It is
a remote machine (datacenter in another country).

Should be fun.

> Let's see what KB has to say :P

Yup

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On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 14:12 -0200, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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> On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 10:54:05PM +0000, Karanbir
Singh wrote:
> > Joshua Kramer wrote:
> > >
> > >All,
> > >
> > >Does anyone have a timeline for the CentOS 5
release candidates and/or 
> > >final?
> > 
> > We will aim to have the CentOS-5 Final release
within 2 weeks of 
> > upstream release. So far, based on news around ETA
upstream looks like 
> > 15th March.
> 
> Karan,
> 	I'm asking, obviously, for a guess here.
> 
> 	How viable do you think it will be to do an upgrade
from
> 4.4 to 5 on a live system, based on what you've seen on
the beta ?

considering where they came from and the kernel versions
installed it
should be about the same as updating from Fedora Core 3's
original
release to Fedora Core 6's original release.

It's doable thing but it might take some effort to prune out
certain
conflicting pkg versions.

I'll be giving it a test when it is out and I'll post my
experiences.

-sv


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On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 06:59:19PM -0200, Rodrigo Barbosa
wrote:
> I have at least 1 machine I'll have to do it. And,
guess what ? It is
> a remote machine (datacenter in another country).

A recommendation to make this go more smoothly: before the
upgrade,
uninstall as many packages as possible. Everything that's
not needed to run
the server, and as many things which are needed but which
can be put back
with a simple yum install after the upgrade. This will
minimize the chances
of problems.

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Am Sonntag, den 18.02.2007, 04:50 +0000 schrieb Karanbir
Singh:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
> > The concern it more general - more about
unpredictable differences. 
> > Having seen a difference in what the hwaddr
setting does even within a 
> > version, I wouldn't count on it to work across
versions without testing 
> > it first.
> 
> Absolutely, and things get even murkier with
Virtualised Interfaces and 
> VM's where there is sometimes no real relation to the
MAC Addr at all! 

I did not check the other VMMs, but at least Xen can
configure the
guest's MACs, for example

  vif = [ 'mac=FE:FD:00E:AD:04,
bridge=br0' ]

So you could simulate the remote upgrade within a local VM
using
identical HWADDRs. Of course that would not solve probs with
other HW
(RAID, NIC-driver).

/nils.

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Am Sonntag, den 18.02.2007, 02:45 +0200 schrieb Ovidiu
Lixandru:
> Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
> 
> > I have at least 1 machine I'll have to do it. And,
guess what ? It is
> > a remote machine (datacenter in another country).
> > 
> > Should be fun.
> 
> Duplicating the remote setup to a local/virtual machine
and giving the 
> upgrade a shot before tinkering with the live server
won't hurt. ;)

As a safety mesurement you could clone the machine ("cp
-a") to a
blockdevice on the same remote machine (LVM volume,
loopfile) before. If
upgrading breaks anything except remote access, you could
run the broken
service inside the chrooted or virtualized clone until you
manage to fix
its upgraded version.

/nils.

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On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 04:37:21PM -0500, seth vidal wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 14:12 -0200, Rodrigo Barbosa
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> > On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 10:54:05PM +0000, Karanbir
Singh wrote:
> > > Joshua Kramer wrote:
> > > >
> > > >All,
> > > >
> > > >Does anyone have a timeline for the
CentOS 5 release candidates and/or 
> > > >final?
> > > 
> > > We will aim to have the CentOS-5 Final
release within 2 weeks of 
> > > upstream release. So far, based on news
around ETA upstream looks like 
> > > 15th March.
> > 
> > Karan,
> > 	I'm asking, obviously, for a guess here.
> > 
> > 	How viable do you think it will be to do an
upgrade from
> > 4.4 to 5 on a live system, based on what you've
seen on the beta ?
> 
> considering where they came from and the kernel
versions installed it
> should be about the same as updating from Fedora Core
3's original
> release to Fedora Core 6's original release.

FC6 ? Are you sure ? I figured RHEL 5 would be based on FC4,
maybe FC5.

[]s

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