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Re: Zero day updates upstream
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2007-03-16 15:01:35
Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> On Mar 16, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> C. Halstead wrote:
>>> ----- "Karanbir Singh"
<mail-listskaran.org> wrote:
>>>> Just talking to Lance and Johnny online,
and we feel the best way 
>>>> forward might be to add an Media-Updates/
repo on the iso's itself - 
>>>> then list both the local media updates as
well as mirror.centos.org 
>>>> updates repo's in the anaconda screen, both
disabled.
>>>>
>>>> We feel this gives us the max wins in each
direction ( but will
>>>> slightly increase the data size on the last
cd, as packages from cd-1
>>>> will move to cd-2 etc.
>>>>
>>>> I will still try and ensure that a minimum
install is possible using 
>>>> only cd-1, but cant promise that.
>>>>
>>>> - KB
>>> +1 to this if we can still produce a single-CD
minimal install.  IMO 
>>> the value if a one-disc install is higher than
the value of a release 
>>> that contains the initial update set.  In a
month or two there will 
>>> be additional updates to apply anyway, so it
doesn't seem prudent to 
>>> sacrifice the one-disc install for the life of
the release to gain a 
>>> (very) small convenience up front.  Just my
.02
>>> ---
>>
>> if we can get a few more people voting this way,
then I feel we have a 
>> decision on this issue.
>>
>> - KB
> 
>  I am agreeable to this, but I would actually prefer to
simply mimic 
> upstream -- release 5.0 with the same base pacakges as
upstream, and 
> provide necessary updates in the updates repo.  I don't
see a strong 
> reason to spend time modifying the CD images to contain
a few package 
> updates that are easily downloaded after install time.

"easily downloaded?"

How long since you lived with this? I don't have a choice!
[summerbilby ~]$ ping -c5 -q beta.centos.org
ping: unknown host beta.centos.org
[summerbilby ~]$ ping -c5 -q beta.centos.org
PING beta.centos.org (72.13.100.148) 56(84) bytes of data.


--- beta.centos.org ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 4 received, 20% packet loss, time
13070ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1073.620/1254.659/1491.147/184.761
ms, pipe 3
[summerbilby ~]$
[summerbilby ~]$


some of my systems rarely get software updates because it's
too 
difficult. Software updates are rarely accessible when I
install.


> 
> If you proceed with the suggestion you mentioned above,
are you implying 
> that the so called "zero day updates" will
appear in both the 
> "media-updates" repo on the CD, and in the
official updates repo on the 
> FTP & mirrors?
> 
> -Jeff
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Cheers
John

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Re: Zero day updates upstream
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2007-03-16 15:41:07
On Mar 16, 2007, at 4:01 PM, John Summerfield wrote:

> Jeff Sheltren wrote:
>>
>>  I am agreeable to this, but I would actually
prefer to simply  
>> mimic upstream -- release 5.0 with the same base
pacakges as  
>> upstream, and provide necessary updates in the
updates repo.  I  
>> don't see a strong reason to spend time modifying
the CD images to  
>> contain a few package updates that are easily
downloaded after  
>> install time.
>
> "easily downloaded?"
>
> How long since you lived with this? I don't have a
choice!
> [summerbilby ~]$ ping -c5 -q beta.centos.org
> ping: unknown host beta.centos.org
> [summerbilby ~]$ ping -c5 -q beta.centos.org
> PING beta.centos.org (72.13.100.148) 56(84) bytes of
data.
>
>
> --- beta.centos.org ping statistics ---
> 5 packets transmitted, 4 received, 20% packet loss,
time 13070ms
> rtt min/avg/max/mdev =
1073.620/1254.659/1491.147/184.761 ms, pipe 3

Well, actually my Internet connection at home as been down
for a week  
now - yay lazy Caribbean islands!

But back on topic, if connectivity to mirrors is such a big
issue,  
why not mirror the needed packages while you are online and
then  
point your machines to a local mirror?

It is not like these packages will not be available when
CentOS 5  
goes public, ti's just a matter of if they'll be on the CD
or not.   
In my opinion, it's not worth the trouble to modify the CDs
and  
installer, but I'm not the one doing the work, so I'll leave
that  
decision up to the centos developers.

-Jeff
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