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Re: rhwas 5 work?
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2008-03-29 21:06:18
Johnny Hughes wrote:
> John Summerfield wrote:
>> William L. Maltby wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 20:29 +0000, Karanbir
Singh wrote:
>>>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>>>> Karanbir
>>>>> I find you very difficult to deal with,
and I don't want that. Can we
>>>>> try to keep things calm?
>>>> I am always calm 
>>>>
>>>>> I have no standing with the CentOS
project, and I don't wish to 
>>>>> become a
>>>>> developer. I know myself well enough to
understand that it's not
>>>>> something I do well, even though a
resume of my experience might 
>>>>> suggest
>>>>> otherwise.
>>>> Well, the whole point to CentOS is that
anyone and everyone should be
>>>> able to help along. Dont need a tag /
title..
>>>
>>> And a good part of that is contributing ideas,
pointers, support to
>>> others, etc. IMO. Not everyone has time or
inclination to contribute in
>>> ways that the project might like.
>>>
>>> And that fits within the spirit of open source,
no?
>>
>> Thanks Bill.
>>
>> In this particular case, Johnny more than anyone
else speaks for 
>> CentOS, and I probably least of all.
>>
>> CentOS has a problem with the Sun licence. On
checking, it didn't seem 
>> so bad. Okay, so it maybe still isn't good enough.
Perhaps one of the 
>> leaders ought tell Sun; in view of its decision to
open-source Java, 
>> maybe Sun will move a little more. I don't think
IBM will argue 
>> against more freedom, it's been taking shots at Sun
over the matter 
>> for years.
>>
>> I'm the last person who should be negotiating on
CentOS's behalf, 
>> _this_ has to be done by an acknowledged leader,
whether it's Johnny, 
>> Karanbir or someone else. Someone with a sound
knowledge of the 
>> issues, someone Sun will see as someone
representing the project.
>>
>> If the licence issue is resolved satisfactorily,
_then_ there will be 
>> some work to do, and maybe someone with needs in
that area will step up.
> 
> John,
> 
> Actually ... Sun DID do something about the license,
they changed it 
> completely for new versions of Java to GPL 
> 
> The issue is, that the versions of Java that is GPL is
1.6.0 and newer 
> ... and that CentOS-5 uses 1.4.2 level things.
> 
> The problem we have is with distributing the 1.4.2
version ... which Sun 
> really can't change more than they have (or at least
they seem unwilling 
> to do so).
> 
> The GPL'ed version, 1.6.0, I am trying to get working
on CentOS-5 in a 
> sane way right now.
> 
> If we can make that work ... AND IF it will build the
required java bits 
> ... AND AGAIN IF we can make that work with the other
gcj java bits 
> already throughout CentOS, then we will be in
business.
> 
> That is really the issue.

OK ... some progress on this

There are now java-1.6.0-openjdk packages for i386 in the
testing repo:

htt
p://dev.centos.org/centos/5/testing/i386/RPMS/

I am working on the x86_64 packages now.

The next step will be to see if we can use these to make the
JAVA bits 
in RHWAS.

Thanks.
Johnny Hughes


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Re: rhwas 5 work?
user name
2008-03-30 13:17:21
Johnny Hughes wrote:
> Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>> William L. Maltby wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 20:29 +0000, Karanbir
Singh wrote:
>>>>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>>>>> Karanbir
>>>>>> I find you very difficult to deal
with, and I don't want that. Can we
>>>>>> try to keep things calm?
>>>>> I am always calm 
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no standing with the CentOS
project, and I don't wish to 
>>>>>> become a
>>>>>> developer. I know myself well
enough to understand that it's not
>>>>>> something I do well, even though a
resume of my experience might 
>>>>>> suggest
>>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>> Well, the whole point to CentOS is that
anyone and everyone should be
>>>>> able to help along. Dont need a tag /
title..
>>>>
>>>> And a good part of that is contributing
ideas, pointers, support to
>>>> others, etc. IMO. Not everyone has time or
inclination to contribute in
>>>> ways that the project might like.
>>>>
>>>> And that fits within the spirit of open
source, no?
>>>
>>> Thanks Bill.
>>>
>>> In this particular case, Johnny more than
anyone else speaks for 
>>> CentOS, and I probably least of all.
>>>
>>> CentOS has a problem with the Sun licence. On
checking, it didn't 
>>> seem so bad. Okay, so it maybe still isn't good
enough. Perhaps one 
>>> of the leaders ought tell Sun; in view of its
decision to open-source 
>>> Java, maybe Sun will move a little more. I
don't think IBM will argue 
>>> against more freedom, it's been taking shots at
Sun over the matter 
>>> for years.
>>>
>>> I'm the last person who should be negotiating
on CentOS's behalf, 
>>> _this_ has to be done by an acknowledged
leader, whether it's Johnny, 
>>> Karanbir or someone else. Someone with a sound
knowledge of the 
>>> issues, someone Sun will see as someone
representing the project.
>>>
>>> If the licence issue is resolved
satisfactorily, _then_ there will be 
>>> some work to do, and maybe someone with needs
in that area will step up.
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Actually ... Sun DID do something about the
license, they changed it 
>> completely for new versions of Java to GPL 
>>
>> The issue is, that the versions of Java that is GPL
is 1.6.0 and newer 
>> ... and that CentOS-5 uses 1.4.2 level things.
>>
>> The problem we have is with distributing the 1.4.2
version ... which 
>> Sun really can't change more than they have (or at
least they seem 
>> unwilling to do so).
>>
>> The GPL'ed version, 1.6.0, I am trying to get
working on CentOS-5 in a 
>> sane way right now.
>>
>> If we can make that work ... AND IF it will build
the required java 
>> bits ... AND AGAIN IF we can make that work with
the other gcj java 
>> bits already throughout CentOS, then we will be in
business.
>>
>> That is really the issue.
> 
> OK ... some progress on this
> 
> There are now java-1.6.0-openjdk packages for i386 in
the testing repo:
> 
> htt
p://dev.centos.org/centos/5/testing/i386/RPMS/
> 
> I am working on the x86_64 packages now.
> 
> The next step will be to see if we can use these to
make the JAVA bits 
> in RHWAS.

For anyone interested in trying the openjdk packages, the
i386 and 
x86_64 java-1.6.0-openjdk packages are now posted in the
testing repo.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes


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