Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA

I am not the one wanting the change.  We currently have a
Pix 525 for a 
connection to 3 hospitals over a private network.  One of
the other 
hospitals IT department is being run by my director.  The
firewall at the 
other site is some product called InstaGate, and it needs to
be replaced. 
Their Pix cannot handle the throughput  needed.  My director
is replacing 
the Pix of that side with an ASA-5520, and replacing our Pix
with the 
same.  Someone told him that this ASA box can handle that
traffic and 
everything our Checkpoint firewall dishes out.  Our
Checkpoint supplies 10 
IPSEC tunnel to vendors/doctors.  We have 3 apps hosted over
the internet 
for Physicians/Radiologists/Nursing Homes to use.  These 3
apps supply big 
time data down to the client.  It also does the normal
internet/email 
traffic, and VPN client stuff.  We have probably around 75
VPN users (not 
concurrent).

My director figures that we have this kick-ass ASA box, so
we might as 
well put everything together into one box, and get rid of
Checkpoint.  I 
hate the idea of losing Checkpoint, and I would probably
lose out on being 
the firewall admin, as the current Pix guy is our Cisco guy,
and I know 
nothing about Cisco IOS.

I thank everyone for your opinion on this.  I need as much
information 
about strengths/weaknesses on both products, so I can make
my case.  I had 
a conference call today with a gut from Checkpoint and with
our supplier, 
to talk about this.

Thanks,

Sean




Simon Wilkinson <wilkishotmail.com> 
11/22/2006 12:47 PM

To
<sean.donagheyhdgh.org>
cc

Subject
RE: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA







Hi,

Firstly why are you looking to change?, is it to fit in with
the rest of 
the hardware or some other reason?.

IMHO, NGX gives you a lot more out of the box than the ASA,
I've used the 
5510 and that didn't come with IPS built in, it required
another module so 
NGX gives you better protection from that point of view. You
may want to 
consider throughput aswell as some of the ASA figures are
theoretical 
clear text figures and so may not actually deliver that
speed in your 
working environment. Depending on what platform you're using
if that box 
died then rebuilding ngx on another box could be a lot
quicker/cheaper 
than having a spare ASA device. With the Cisco device you
can have what is 
known as security contects, these are like virtual firewalls
and is great 
if you have a requirement for multiple firewalls then the
ASA with 
multiple contexts can give you x number of virtual
firewalls, each with 
their own config. The software for the ASA is much nicer and
user-friendly 
than previous offerings.

Have you thought about retraining costs as well.

Hope this helps, let me know if yo uhave any other questions
I may be able 
to help with.

Cheers

Simon




----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:18:58 -0500
> From: Sean.DonagheyHDGH.ORG
> Subject: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA
> To: FW-1-MAILINGLISTAMADEUS.US.CHECKPOINT.COM
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Our company is considering replacing our Checkpoint
firewall for a Cisco 

> ASA-5520 appliance.  Does anyone on this list have any
experience with 
ASA 
> box, and if so what is your opinion on them.   We are
currently running 
> R55 on our Corrent SR200 appliance, and are looking at
migrating to a 
Dell 
> Poweredge 1950 server with R61/R62 (not sure which is
best to go to).
> 
> I need some ammunition on pros/cons of Cisco compared
to Checkpoint.
> 
> Any information would greatly be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
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This article won't help you change his mind, but it does
show what could 
happen if you do switch. 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/17/bofh_2006_e
pisode_39/

Ray


>From: Sean Donaghey/HDGH <Sean.DonagheyHDGH.ORG>
>Reply-To: Mailing list for discussion of Firewall-1     
        
><FW-1-MAILINGLISTAMADEUS.US.CHECKPOINT.COM>
>To: FW-1-MAILINGLISTAMADEUS.US.CHECKPOINT.COM
>Subject: Re: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA
>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:01:50 -0500
>
>I am not the one wanting the change.  We currently have
a Pix 525 for a
>connection to 3 hospitals over a private network.  One
of the other
>hospitals IT department is being run by my director. 
The firewall at the
>other site is some product called InstaGate, and it
needs to be replaced.
>Their Pix cannot handle the throughput  needed.  My
director is replacing
>the Pix of that side with an ASA-5520, and replacing our
Pix with the
>same.  Someone told him that this ASA box can handle
that traffic and
>everything our Checkpoint firewall dishes out.  Our
Checkpoint supplies 10
>IPSEC tunnel to vendors/doctors.  We have 3 apps hosted
over the internet
>for Physicians/Radiologists/Nursing Homes to use.  These
3 apps supply big
>time data down to the client.  It also does the normal
internet/email
>traffic, and VPN client stuff.  We have probably around
75 VPN users (not
>concurrent).
>
>My director figures that we have this kick-ass ASA box,
so we might as
>well put everything together into one box, and get rid
of Checkpoint.  I
>hate the idea of losing Checkpoint, and I would probably
lose out on being
>the firewall admin, as the current Pix guy is our Cisco
guy, and I know
>nothing about Cisco IOS.
>
>I thank everyone for your opinion on this.  I need as
much information
>about strengths/weaknesses on both products, so I can
make my case.  I had
>a conference call today with a gut from Checkpoint and
with our supplier,
>to talk about this.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sean
>
>
>
>
>Simon Wilkinson <wilkishotmail.com>
>11/22/2006 12:47 PM
>
>To
><sean.donagheyhdgh.org>
>cc
>
>Subject
>RE: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Firstly why are you looking to change?, is it to fit in
with the rest of
>the hardware or some other reason?.
>
>IMHO, NGX gives you a lot more out of the box than the
ASA, I've used the
>5510 and that didn't come with IPS built in, it required
another module so
>NGX gives you better protection from that point of view.
You may want to
>consider throughput aswell as some of the ASA figures
are theoretical
>clear text figures and so may not actually deliver that
speed in your
>working environment. Depending on what platform you're
using if that box
>died then rebuilding ngx on another box could be a lot
quicker/cheaper
>than having a spare ASA device. With the Cisco device
you can have what is
>known as security contects, these are like virtual
firewalls and is great
>if you have a requirement for multiple firewalls then
the ASA with
>multiple contexts can give you x number of virtual
firewalls, each with
>their own config. The software for the ASA is much nicer
and user-friendly
>than previous offerings.
>
>Have you thought about retraining costs as well.
>
>Hope this helps, let me know if yo uhave any other
questions I may be able
>to help with.
>
>Cheers
>
>Simon
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:18:58 -0500
> > From: Sean.DonagheyHDGH.ORG
> > Subject: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA
> > To: FW-1-MAILINGLISTAMADEUS.US.CHECKPOINT.COM
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Our company is considering replacing our
Checkpoint firewall for a Cisco
>
> > ASA-5520 appliance.  Does anyone on this list have
any experience with
>ASA
> > box, and if so what is your opinion on them.   We
are currently running
> > R55 on our Corrent SR200 appliance, and are
looking at migrating to a
>Dell
> > Poweredge 1950 server with R61/R62 (not sure which
is best to go to).
> >
> > I need some ammunition on pros/cons of Cisco
compared to Checkpoint.
> >
> > Any information would greatly be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
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ASA-5520 is about the same as the Pix525 except you can run
IPS and 
  webVPN on the box.  In term of performance, they are
almost the same.
   
  You should tell your director to stop listening to Cisco
SEs and actually
  do his own research.  If he does that, he will know that a
lot of the ASA
  stuffs are just hyped.  If  you take way the IPS module
(optional) and 
  one other thing on the ASA, Pix525 and ASA5520 are exactly
the same
  because they run exactly the same 7.x buggy code.

Sean Donaghey/HDGH <Sean.DonagheyHDGH.ORG> wrote:
  I am not the one wanting the change. We currently have a
Pix 525 for a 
connection to 3 hospitals over a private network. One of the
other 
hospitals IT department is being run by my director. The
firewall at the 
other site is some product called InstaGate, and it needs to
be replaced. 
Their Pix cannot handle the throughput needed. My director
is replacing 
the Pix of that side with an ASA-5520, and replacing our Pix
with the 
same. Someone told him that this ASA box can handle that
traffic and 
everything our Checkpoint firewall dishes out. Our
Checkpoint supplies 10 
IPSEC tunnel to vendors/doctors. We have 3 apps hosted over
the internet 
for Physicians/Radiologists/Nursing Homes to use. These 3
apps supply big 
time data down to the client. It also does the normal
internet/email 
traffic, and VPN client stuff. We have probably around 75
VPN users (not 
concurrent).

My director figures that we have this kick-ass ASA box, so
we might as 
well put everything together into one box, and get rid of
Checkpoint. I 
hate the idea of losing Checkpoint, and I would probably
lose out on being 
the firewall admin, as the current Pix guy is our Cisco guy,
and I know 
nothing about Cisco IOS.

I thank everyone for your opinion on this. I need as much
information 
about strengths/weaknesses on both products, so I can make
my case. I had 
a conference call today with a gut from Checkpoint and with
our supplier, 
to talk about this.

Thanks,

Sean




Simon Wilkinson 
11/22/2006 12:47 PM

To

cc

Subject
RE: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA







Hi,

Firstly why are you looking to change?, is it to fit in with
the rest of 
the hardware or some other reason?.

IMHO, NGX gives you a lot more out of the box than the ASA,
I've used the 
5510 and that didn't come with IPS built in, it required
another module so 
NGX gives you better protection from that point of view. You
may want to 
consider throughput aswell as some of the ASA figures are
theoretical 
clear text figures and so may not actually deliver that
speed in your 
working environment. Depending on what platform you're using
if that box 
died then rebuilding ngx on another box could be a lot
quicker/cheaper 
than having a spare ASA device. With the Cisco device you
can have what is 
known as security contects, these are like virtual firewalls
and is great 
if you have a requirement for multiple firewalls then the
ASA with 
multiple contexts can give you x number of virtual
firewalls, each with 
their own config. The software for the ASA is much nicer and
user-friendly 
than previous offerings.

Have you thought about retraining costs as well.

Hope this helps, let me know if yo uhave any other questions
I may be able 
to help with.

Cheers

Simon




----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:18:58 -0500
> From: Sean.DonagheyHDGH.ORG
> Subject: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA
> To: FW-1-MAILINGLISTAMADEUS.US.CHECKPOINT.COM
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Our company is considering replacing our Checkpoint
firewall for a Cisco 

> ASA-5520 appliance. Does anyone on this list have any
experience with 
ASA 
> box, and if so what is your opinion on them. We are
currently running 
> R55 on our Corrent SR200 appliance, and are looking at
migrating to a 
Dell 
> Poweredge 1950 server with R61/R62 (not sure which is
best to go to).
> 
> I need some ammunition on pros/cons of Cisco compared
to Checkpoint.
> 
> Any information would greatly be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
> 
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Dear Sean,

    if tou have access to the Check Point User center, you
can check out 
Competitive Sales Tools, for example 
http://www.checkpoint.com/partners/c
ompetitive/downloads/ASA5500HotSheet.pdf, 
and 
http://www.checkpoint.com/pa
rtners/competitive/downloads/CP_ExpressCompetitiveSG.pdf

    Best Regards.

Saludos cordiales,

Ing. Martín Alcalá Rubí 
Consultor de Seguridad CheckPoint - CCSA - CCSE
Dpto. de Ingeniería
Security Advisor
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Ray escribió:
> This article won't help you change his mind, but it
does show what 
> could happen if you do switch. 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/17/bofh_2006_e
pisode_39/
>
> Ray
>
>
>> From: Sean Donaghey/HDGH <Sean.DonagheyHDGH.ORG>
>> Reply-To: Mailing list for discussion of Firewall-1
             
>> <FW-1-MAILINGLISTAMADEUS.US.CHECKPOINT.COM>
>> To: FW-1-MAILINGLISTAMADEUS.US.CHECKPOINT.COM
>> Subject: Re: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA
>> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:01:50 -0500
>>
>> I am not the one wanting the change.  We currently
have a Pix 525 for a
>> connection to 3 hospitals over a private network. 
One of the other
>> hospitals IT department is being run by my
director.  The firewall at 
>> the
>> other site is some product called InstaGate, and it
needs to be 
>> replaced.
>> Their Pix cannot handle the throughput  needed.  My
director is 
>> replacing
>> the Pix of that side with an ASA-5520, and
replacing our Pix with the
>> same.  Someone told him that this ASA box can
handle that traffic and
>> everything our Checkpoint firewall dishes out.  Our
Checkpoint 
>> supplies 10
>> IPSEC tunnel to vendors/doctors.  We have 3 apps
hosted over the 
>> internet
>> for Physicians/Radiologists/Nursing Homes to use. 
These 3 apps 
>> supply big
>> time data down to the client.  It also does the
normal internet/email
>> traffic, and VPN client stuff.  We have probably
around 75 VPN users 
>> (not
>> concurrent).
>>
>> My director figures that we have this kick-ass ASA
box, so we might as
>> well put everything together into one box, and get
rid of Checkpoint.  I
>> hate the idea of losing Checkpoint, and I would
probably lose out on 
>> being
>> the firewall admin, as the current Pix guy is our
Cisco guy, and I know
>> nothing about Cisco IOS.
>>
>> I thank everyone for your opinion on this.  I need
as much information
>> about strengths/weaknesses on both products, so I
can make my case.  
>> I had
>> a conference call today with a gut from Checkpoint
and with our 
>> supplier,
>> to talk about this.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon Wilkinson <wilkishotmail.com>
>> 11/22/2006 12:47 PM
>>
>> To
>> <sean.donagheyhdgh.org>
>> cc
>>
>> Subject
>> RE: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Firstly why are you looking to change?, is it to
fit in with the rest of
>> the hardware or some other reason?.
>>
>> IMHO, NGX gives you a lot more out of the box than
the ASA, I've used 
>> the
>> 5510 and that didn't come with IPS built in, it
required another 
>> module so
>> NGX gives you better protection from that point of
view. You may want to
>> consider throughput aswell as some of the ASA
figures are theoretical
>> clear text figures and so may not actually deliver
that speed in your
>> working environment. Depending on what platform
you're using if that box
>> died then rebuilding ngx on another box could be a
lot quicker/cheaper
>> than having a spare ASA device. With the Cisco
device you can have 
>> what is
>> known as security contects, these are like virtual
firewalls and is 
>> great
>> if you have a requirement for multiple firewalls
then the ASA with
>> multiple contexts can give you x number of virtual
firewalls, each with
>> their own config. The software for the ASA is much
nicer and 
>> user-friendly
>> than previous offerings.
>>
>> Have you thought about retraining costs as well.
>>
>> Hope this helps, let me know if yo uhave any other
questions I may be 
>> able
>> to help with.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:18:58 -0500
>> > From: Sean.DonagheyHDGH.ORG
>> > Subject: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA
>> > To: FW-1-MAILINGLISTAMADEUS.US.CHECKPOINT.COM
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Our company is considering replacing our
Checkpoint firewall for a 
>> Cisco
>>
>> > ASA-5520 appliance.  Does anyone on this list
have any experience with
>> ASA
>> > box, and if so what is your opinion on them.  
We are currently 
>> running
>> > R55 on our Corrent SR200 appliance, and are
looking at migrating to a
>> Dell
>> > Poweredge 1950 server with R61/R62 (not sure
which is best to go to).
>> >
>> > I need some ammunition on pros/cons of Cisco
compared to Checkpoint.
>> >
>> > Any information would greatly be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Sean
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The information contained in this e-mail
message is confidential and
>> > protected by law.  The information is intended
only for the person or
>> > organization addressed in this e-mail.  If you
share or copy the
>> > information you may be breaking the law.  If
you have received this
>> e-mail
>> > by mistake, please notify the sender of the
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>> number
>> > listed on this e-mail.  Please destroy the
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>> back
>> > the information or keep the original.
>> >
>> >
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