Interesting screencast webdevelopment using Python

On 3/10/06, Sylvain Hellegouarch <defuze.org">shdefuze.org> wrote:

I'm not sure to understand why you compare page layout to widgets
anyway. Both are complementary and not opposites. Besides, I can't grasp
either why you mention web servers in this discussion I would
understand you mentionning XHTML and XML technologies but HTTP
servers... it's a mistery to me.

I guess I really miss your point here.

- Sylvain

paron a écrit :
> Titus and Mike: Good, good, good -- thank you for getting the
> discussion back on track!
&gt;
> I started from the statement (2x) in the movie that <clip&gt;development
> in the 2000's is "Less about widgets, more about page layout.&quot;</clip>
>
> Then I examined the responses to the latest "How do I put a GUI on
> this?"; that I could find: <clip&gt; (You can look it up as recently as
> last week:
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/989. ..
&gt; ) -- How 90's is that?</clip>
&gt;
> I made the assertion that Ruby was a backwater until RubyOnRails.
>
>; So, given the assertion from the movie (development in the 2000s is
> "Less about widgets, more about page layout.&quot;), then the fact that
> Python folks almost inevitably answer GUI questions in terms of widgets
&gt; (as recently as last week) could explain Ruby's sudden ascendency. It's
> not language, per se, it's culture.
&gt;
> There's nothing inherent in Python that limits it to the widgets realm
>; -- but virtually every response, virtually every tutorial, virtually
> every book that talks about Python GUI talks exclusively in terms of
> widgets, which is a 90's vintage solution.
>
> When "Glurt Wuntal&quot; asked for help putting a GUI on his apps (Mar 2,
> 2006), there were 22! replys that discussed the merits of glade, pyGTK,
>; wxWidgets, Tcl/TK, etc. and NOT ONE MENTION of CherryPy, Karrigell,
> CGIHttpServer, TurboGears or Zope.
>
> What will be the first 22 responses if someone posts the analogous
> question on a Ruby newsgroup?
>
> P.S. -- sorry for the bit of 'trolling' in making that admittedly silly
> assertion. I just think Python is the best language out there and I
> hate to see all its Web frameworks being "damned with faint praise.&quot; I
~Arthur Schopenhauer
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On 3/10/06, Sylvain Hellegouarch <defuze.org">shdefuze.org> wrote:

er... the best for what task?

dimitri pater a écrit :
> Here is your chance, this was posted just now on the Python list:
> *Which GUI toolkit is THE best?
> D.
> *
> On 3/10/06, * Sylvain Hellegouarch* <defuze.org"> shdefuze.org
> <mailto:defuze.org">shdefuze.org>> wrote:
>;
>
>  ; &nbsp; I'm not sure to understand why you compare page layout to widgets
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; anyway. Both are complementary and not opposites. Besides, I can't
>; &nbsp; &nbsp; grasp
>  ; &nbsp; either why you mention web servers in this discussion I would
>  ; &nbsp; understand you mentionning XHTML and XML technologies but HTTP
>&nbsp;   ; servers... it's a mistery to me.
>
> &nbsp;   I guess I really miss your point here.
>
>   ;  - Sylvain
&gt;
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  paron a écrit :
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  > Titus and Mike: Good, good, good -- thank you for getting the
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  > discussion back on track!
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; >
>&nbsp;   ; > I started from the statement (2x) in the movie that
>&nbsp;   ; <clip&gt;development
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  > in the 2000's is "Less about widgets, more about page
>&nbsp;   ; layout.&quot;</clip>
>  ; &nbsp; >
>&nbsp;   ; > Then I examined the responses to the latest "How do I put a GUI on
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  > this?"; that I could find: <clip&gt; (You can look it up as recently as
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  > last week:
>; &nbsp; &nbsp; >
>&nbsp;   ; http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/989.
>  ; &nbsp; < http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/989.>..
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  > ) -- How 90's is that?</clip>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; >
>&nbsp;   ; > I made the assertion that Ruby was a backwater until RubyOnRails.
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  >
>&nbsp;   ; > So, given the assertion from the movie (development in the 2000s is
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  > "Less about widgets, more about page layout.&quot;), then the fact that
>&nbsp;   ; > Python folks almost inevitably answer GUI questions in terms of
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  widgets
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; > (as recently as last week) could explain Ruby's sudden
>; &nbsp; &nbsp; ascendency. It's
>&nbsp;   ; > not language, per se, it's culture.
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; >
>&nbsp;   ; > There's nothing inherent in Python that limits it to the widgets
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; realm
>  ; &nbsp; > -- but virtually every response, virtually every tutorial, virtually
> &nbsp;   > every book that talks about Python GUI talks exclusively in terms of
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  > widgets, which is a 90's vintage solution.
>   ;  >
>&nbsp;   ; > When "Glurt Wuntal&quot; asked for help putting a GUI on his apps
>&nbsp;   ; (Mar 2,
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  > 2006), there were 22! replys that discussed the merits of glade,
>; &nbsp; &nbsp; pyGTK,
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; > wxWidgets, Tcl/TK, etc. and NOT ONE MENTION of CherryPy, Karrigell,
>   ;  > CGIHttpServer, TurboGears or Zope.
>  ; &nbsp; >
>&nbsp;   ; > What will be the first 22 responses if someone posts the analogous
>   ;  > question on a Ruby newsgroup?
>   ;  >
>&nbsp;   ; > P.S. -- sorry for the bit of 'trolling' in making that
>&nbsp;   ; admittedly silly
>  ; &nbsp; > assertion. I just think Python is the best language out there and I
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  > hate to see all its Web frameworks being "damned with faint
>  ; &nbsp; praise.&quot; I
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  ~Arthur Schopenhauer
>&nbsp; &nbsp;  ----
>&nbsp;   ; Please visit dimitri's website: