Re: Networking Career Path

Jesus,
There are so many things you can do on Unix/Linux platforms
that would be
very difficult to do on Windows platforms.  Netflow, Nagios,
RTG, etc...
I've personally built these tools on Unix platforms to
manage networking
devices and had I not gone to college, I would not have time
to learn them
today.  Going to college is one of the best things I've ever
made, besides
marrying the right woman -

Networking/IT is much more than Cisco.  If you don't know
Unix and 
programming, learning JunOS is very difficult, and i am not
talking about
basic configuration.  

Peter

Jesus Velazquez  wrote: Peter I would only disagree with you
about NOT
wasting time with CCNA and CCNP.  I would definitely
recommend at least the
CCNA as it is becoming more intense than it was 7-8 yrs ago.
 So for him
it's a good starting point.  However, you do make a good
point in that many
in IT with several years experience can't write programs,
scripts, nor Unix
experience.  That is so true cause I'm one of those you
speak of as well as
many others I've worked with over the years.  Being that
automation is
becoming much more prevalent in IT with scripting, Java,
Unix, Linux,
etc...it pays to get that knowledge in college although you
can also get it
on your own depending on how disciplined you are.  I don't
presently hold a
degree but am on my way to obtaining one.  I firmly believe
that colleges
presently have much better real world classes such as
offering wireless,
ethical hacking, security, networking including Cisco
classes, Unix/Linux,
 programming, etc.... 
  
 If I had to do it over again I would've gone to college a
long time ago. 
But I have to add that my 7yrs experience in the US Army
with
telecommunications helped me launch into IT/Networking so I
can't complain. 
So as I mentioned I'm going back to college to complete my
degree while
simultaneously recertify and achieve new Certs in Cisco and
others.
  
 IT is a life long challenge and study so if you don't have
what it takes
then you may want to look elsewhere.

 
 On 6/27/07, Jun Kim  wrote: This is probably the most
absurd thing that
I've ever heard.

College is not going to teach you CCIE but it will teach you

how to prepare for the CCIE.  If you have a degree in
electrical engineering or computer science, you will have
no problem getting multiple ccie(s) if  you desire to do
so.

I got my first ccie (security) right around the time I
graduated 
from college with an MS degree .  I just recently passed
the ccie service provider lab.  I failed voice lab but I
will
take it again.  I am currently attending University of
Maryland
MBA program.  Even though I have less than two years on 
job experience, I have other senior engineers come and ask
for my advices and opinions when complex issues regarding
network architecture or troubleshooting.

If you have what it takes, go to college and get a degree. 
While you are in college, prepare for the ccie program.
You will be suprised how much similarities between how
to prepare for a course in college and the ccie program.
I personally would not want to spend time and resource 
on the ccna/ccnp programs.

I learned a few very important things when I was in
college,
Unix and  programming.  I am still very suprised that a lot
of networking folks, even with years of experience, does not

know how to write even a simple script and that their Unix
skill is terrible.

Peter

Paul Parish  wrote: I agree with the last guy.

If your goal is CCIE, start learning about networking now!
 Get your cisco CCNA then go from there.
Learn about TCP/IP because a good understanding will go a
long way.

If you go to college for Computer Science(which is probably
the best major
for CCIE, or Information Systems/Technology) you are still
not learning 
about networking technology for the most part(except maybe
one upper
division class).

If you want to wait 4-5 years to get started in your career
go to college.

If you want to get get started now, start learning Cisco
technologies and 
immerse yourself in the field.

I for one feel I wasted a lot of time at the university.
They really don't teach Cisco networking and if you want to
truly be a CCIE
then you need to find out what its all about. 
You don't learn what it is to be a CCIE in college(for the
most part).

1. Get your CCNA and find some work.
2. Get your CCNP(if necessary)and find some work
3. Get your CCIE and find some work.
4. Get your degree 

That is my recommended path for networking professionals
getting started.

Also make sure you understand TCP/IP, DNS, and all the other
popular
protocols.
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