HP 9000s, Canon Cat, felines, etc. was Re: rogues galleries

you can do very well copying manuals and such with a
mini digital cam, if its allowed. Id loan you mine if
interested, no problem.
--- cctalk-bouncesclassiccmp.org
<dkelveyhotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> ---snip---
> >
> > > A Cat is a machine I would also like, but I
am
not
> > > going to find one at a
> > > price I can afford...
> >
> >  Mine...$20 US. Plus shipping. Hope is not lost...
> >
> 
> Hi
> I've been having fun hacking my Cat ( Canon ). It
was intended
> to be only an appliance machine but one can program
with it as well.
> There is a page on the web that says one can just
use the word
> "see" to decompile words but he must have had
a disk
that someone
> typed that definition in with.
> I've been slowly hacking how to decompile and I've
made good
> progress. Still, there is so much to dig into. My
main reason is
> to make a printer driver for my HP 3si.
> I was just doing some searches on Jef Raskin and the
Cat and found
> that the Standford Library has manuals on the Forth
in the Cat.
> Too bad I can't just photo copy them. I do plan on
taking a
> day off soon and sit in their viewing room with a
lot of note paper.
> They also have a lot of information from Jef's
records on the Mac
> and Apple in general. Jef was an interesting fellow.
> The Cat is one of my favorite machines.
> Dwight
> 
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Hi
Use of cameras is restricted. No flash is allowed and they
even don't allow a tripod. I'm not sure how I'd hold a
camera steady enough to take pictures under those
conditions.
The other problem is the number of pages. There are about
700-800 pages. I'm just hoping that most of the pages are
related to teaching Forth and with the glossory being the
most intersting part.
Dwight



>From: Chris M <chrism3667yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic 
>Posts"<cctalkclassiccmp.org>
>To: cctalkclassiccmp.org
>Subject: Re: RE: HP 9000s, Canon Cat, felines, etc. was
Re: rogues 
>galleries
>Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:06:30 -0800 (PST)
>
>you can do very well copying manuals and such with a
>mini digital cam, if its allowed. Id loan you mine if
>interested, no problem.
>--- cctalk-bouncesclassiccmp.org
><dkelveyhotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---snip---
> > >
> > > > A Cat is a machine I would also like,
but I am
>not
> > > > going to find one at a
> > > > price I can afford...
> > >
> > >  Mine...$20 US. Plus shipping. Hope is not
lost...
> > >
> >
> > Hi
> > I've been having fun hacking my Cat ( Canon ). It
>was intended
> > to be only an appliance machine but one can
program
>with it as well.
> > There is a page on the web that says one can just
>use the word
> > "see" to decompile words but he must
have had a disk
>that someone
> > typed that definition in with.
> > I've been slowly hacking how to decompile and I've
>made good
> > progress. Still, there is so much to dig into. My
>main reason is
> > to make a printer driver for my HP 3si.
> > I was just doing some searches on Jef Raskin and
the
>Cat and found
> > that the Standford Library has manuals on the
Forth
>in the Cat.
> > Too bad I can't just photo copy them. I do plan on
>taking a
> > day off soon and sit in their viewing room with a
>lot of note paper.
> > They also have a lot of information from Jef's
>records on the Mac
> > and Apple in general. Jef was an interesting
fellow.
> > The Cat is one of my favorite machines.
> > Dwight
> >
> >
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, dwight elvey wrote:

> Use of cameras is restricted. No flash is allowed and
they even don't 
> allow a tripod. I'm not sure how I'd hold a camera
steady enough to take 
> pictures under those conditions. The other problem is
the number of 
> pages. There are about 700-800 pages. I'm just hoping
that most of the 
> pages are related to teaching Forth and with the
glossory being the most 
> intersting part.

How about one of those little table top camera stands?
Surely they'd allow 
one of those...

-Toth

Chris M wrote:

>you can do very well copying manuals and such with a
>mini digital cam, if its allowed. Id loan you mine if
>interested, no problem.
>
>  
>
I keep several of the Canon LIDE models that are usb
powered.  If you
can walk in with a battery powered laptop somewhere with
these, you
can scan with a bed scanner at full resolution.

I strongly recommend collecting them, as they regularly show
up at
thrift shops, and swap meets.  they were not very expensive,
but
run quite well with only the laptop in site. 

then you just need a spotter 

jim

> How about one of those little table top camera
> stands? 

right, I was thinking of building a collapsible unit
from brass tubing essentially (hobby and some hardware
stores). It would be light, sturdy, and you could
stick it in your jacket...or somewhere else LOL LOL
LOL. Sorry.
 The little Aiptek PenCam thing, which in no way
resembles a pen, works off 2 AAA's, takes an SD card
(though I'm not sure if it'll recognize the whole 1gb,
also have a 128k and 32k cards. Something tells me it
might though). I had rechargeables batteries for it,
but I had been utilizing them in an HP calculator,
left it on top of my van, and drove off! Salvaged the
calc, 1 or 2 of the batteries (not sure I'd trust them
anymore, they look like they got run over partially).
I'm going to buy new ones though.
 A little OT, but when I did plug batteries into the
calculator, an HP 49g, although beat up, it seemed to
work fine, though it would drain the batteries FAST,
and 1 in particular got real hot? Any clues?


 
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dwight elvey wrote:
> Hi
> Use of cameras is restricted. No flash is allowed and
they
> even don't allow a tripod. I'm not sure how I'd hold a
> camera steady enough to take pictures under those
conditions.
> The other problem is the number of pages. There are
about
> 700-800 pages. I'm just hoping that most of the pages
are
> related to teaching Forth and with the glossory being
the
> most intersting part.
> Dwight
>
>
>
>> From: Chris M <chrism3667yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic
>> Posts"<cctalkclassiccmp.org>
>> To: cctalkclassiccmp.org
>> Subject: Re: RE: HP 9000s, Canon Cat, felines, etc.
was Re: rogues
>> galleries
>> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:06:30 -0800 (PST)
>>
>> you can do very well copying manuals and such with
a
>> mini digital cam, if its allowed. Id loan you mine
if
>> interested, no problem.
>> --- cctalk-bouncesclassiccmp.org
>> <dkelveyhotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > ---snip---
>> > >
>> > > > A Cat is a machine I would also
like, but I am
>> not
>> > > > going to find one at a
>> > > > price I can afford...
>> > >
>> > >  Mine...$20 US. Plus shipping. Hope is
not lost...
>> > >
>> >
>> > Hi
>> > I've been having fun hacking my Cat ( Canon ).
It
>> was intended
>> > to be only an appliance machine but one can
program
>> with it as well.
>> > There is a page on the web that says one can
just
>> use the word
>> > "see" to decompile words but he must
have had a disk
>> that someone
>> > typed that definition in with.
>> > I've been slowly hacking how to decompile and
I've
>> made good
>> > progress. Still, there is so much to dig into.
My
>> main reason is
>> > to make a printer driver for my HP 3si.
>> > I was just doing some searches on Jef Raskin
and the
>> Cat and found
>> > that the Standford Library has manuals on the
Forth
>> in the Cat.
>> > Too bad I can't just photo copy them. I do
plan on
>> taking a
>> > day off soon and sit in their viewing room
with a
>> lot of note paper.
>> > They also have a lot of information from Jef's
>> records on the Mac
>> > and Apple in general. Jef was an interesting
fellow.
>> > The Cat is one of my favorite machines.
>> > Dwight
>> >
>> >
>>
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>From: jim stephens <jwstephensmsm.umr.edu>
>
>Chris M wrote:
>
>>you can do very well copying manuals and such with a
>>mini digital cam, if its allowed. Id loan you mine
if
>>interested, no problem.
>>
>>
>>
>I keep several of the Canon LIDE models that are usb
powered.  If you
>can walk in with a battery powered laptop somewhere with
these, you
>can scan with a bed scanner at full resolution.
>
>I strongly recommend collecting them, as they regularly
show up at
>thrift shops, and swap meets.  they were not very
expensive, but
>run quite well with only the laptop in site.
>
>then you just need a spotter 
>
>jim

Hi Jim
Scanners are out as well. They are quite serious about what
one
can and can't do. They specify that one can place the book
on
the table and use their weights to hold it open while taking
the
picture. One needs to hold the camera by hand and not use
flash. One can not stand on anything other than the floor.
These are their rules. It is their game.
Dwight

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Hi Ray
Nope, these are only manuals for normal operation. These
do not have anything about the access to or the words that
are in the underliing Forth. The Forth wasn't really
intended
to be used by the average user. It was intended as a
diagnostic
tool or for doing things like changing printer drivers or
such.
Dwight



>From: Ray Arachelian <rayarachelian.com>
>
>Um, is this the droid you're looking for?  
>ht
tp://jef.raskincenter.org/published/cat_ref.html
>
>
>dwight elvey wrote:
> > Hi
> > Use of cameras is restricted. No flash is allowed
and they
> > even don't allow a tripod. I'm not sure how I'd
hold a
> > camera steady enough to take pictures under those
conditions.
> > The other problem is the number of pages. There
are about
> > 700-800 pages. I'm just hoping that most of the
pages are
> > related to teaching Forth and with the glossory
being the
> > most intersting part.
> > Dwight
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Chris M <chrism3667yahoo.com>
> >> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic
and Off-Topic
> >> Posts"<cctalkclassiccmp.org>
> >> To: cctalkclassiccmp.org
> >> Subject: Re: RE: HP 9000s, Canon Cat, felines,
etc. was Re: rogues
> >> galleries
> >> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:06:30 -0800 (PST)
> >>
> >> you can do very well copying manuals and such
with a
> >> mini digital cam, if its allowed. Id loan you
mine if
> >> interested, no problem.
> >> --- cctalk-bouncesclassiccmp.org
> >> <dkelveyhotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---snip---
> >> > >
> >> > > > A Cat is a machine I would also
like, but I am
> >> not
> >> > > > going to find one at a
> >> > > > price I can afford...
> >> > >
> >> > >  Mine...$20 US. Plus shipping. Hope
is not lost...
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Hi
> >> > I've been having fun hacking my Cat (
Canon ). It
> >> was intended
> >> > to be only an appliance machine but one
can program
> >> with it as well.
> >> > There is a page on the web that says one
can just
> >> use the word
> >> > "see" to decompile words but he
must have had a disk
> >> that someone
> >> > typed that definition in with.
> >> > I've been slowly hacking how to decompile
and I've
> >> made good
> >> > progress. Still, there is so much to dig
into. My
> >> main reason is
> >> > to make a printer driver for my HP 3si.
> >> > I was just doing some searches on Jef
Raskin and the
> >> Cat and found
> >> > that the Standford Library has manuals on
the Forth
> >> in the Cat.
> >> > Too bad I can't just photo copy them. I
do plan on
> >> taking a
> >> > day off soon and sit in their viewing
room with a
> >> lot of note paper.
> >> > They also have a lot of information from
Jef's
> >> records on the Mac
> >> > and Apple in general. Jef was an
interesting fellow.
> >> > The Cat is one of my favorite machines.
> >> > Dwight
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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holiday list.
> >> Get expert picks by style,
> >> > age, and price. Try it!
> >> >
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> >> >
> >>
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It was thus said that the Great dwight elvey once stated:
> 
> Scanners are out as well. They are quite serious about
what one
> can and can't do. They specify that one can place the
book on
> the table and use their weights to hold it open while
taking the
> picture. One needs to hold the camera by hand and not
use
> flash. One can not stand on anything other than the
floor.
> These are their rules. It is their game.

  Very odd they won't allow the use of a tripod (are they
worried about
someone knocking something over with it?)  I wonder if they
would allow the
use of a monopod?

  -spc (I can understand the restriction against flash ...)

>From: Sean Conner <spcconman.org>
>
>It was thus said that the Great dwight elvey once
stated:
> >
> > Scanners are out as well. They are quite serious
about what one
> > can and can't do. They specify that one can place
the book on
> > the table and use their weights to hold it open
while taking the
> > picture. One needs to hold the camera by hand and
not use
> > flash. One can not stand on anything other than
the floor.
> > These are their rules. It is their game.
>
>   Very odd they won't allow the use of a tripod (are
they worried about
>someone knocking something over with it?)  I wonder if
they would allow the
>use of a monopod?
>
>   -spc (I can understand the restriction against flash
...)
>

Hi
I suspect that they've had troubles in the past. All it
takes is
one fool to damage a valuable book and they have to restrict
others. I'm not going to be looking at things that are of
that
sort but they have their rules.
Dwight

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