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Re: Surgers
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2007-09-14 12:05:41

Another fact Lynn needs to be aware of is that any surge protector she uses will also be plugged into that same circuit that keeps blowing.
Therefore using a surge protector at this point does no goo.
As David said, the circuit itself needs to be checked out for what is tripping it or blowing the fuse.
It it was my house, I would make that a priority.

Good luck
Abed


David Smith < dbsmith%40atbbs.dyndns.org">dbsmithatbbs.dyndns.org>; wrote:
It was 10 Sep 2007, when Lyn commented:

> How do you know when you need a surger and what type to buy? My
> circuit keep blowing, I added two surgers and stilll it blew.

Depends on what "still blew.";

Surge protectors also usually contain a current-limiting fuse. Usually
you're limited to 15 amps or so. 15 amps is A Lot Of Current. Most
household circuits, what you're plugged into, are limited to less than 15
amps, sometimes much less.

If you're blowing the fuse for the circuit, you're simply using more
current than that circuit can provide. The fuse is -supposed- to blow
under those conditions. The other alternative is Stuff Starts on Fire.

That would be bad.

What we've done at my house, in some cases, is to run a circuit to a
special area just for that (computer or whatever) load. Might help.

But hey, how much computer stuff needs that much current? Doesn't happen
often. So there's something seriously wrong, if the actually circuit
breaker keeps popping. So you need to have a professional take a serious
look at what loads you have on there, and maybe help you sort out what you
really have to have plugged in on that circuit.

And maybe some device plugged into that strip is shorting out, which means
you really need to stop using it and find a replacement, perhaps.

IF that's what's happening, you really do need to take a serious look at
what's causing that. That's dangerous, and potentially fatal.

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Re: Surgers
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2007-09-16 09:20:27

I'd be willing to bet that with current ratings that low, its probably
not a true surge protector, but merely a power strip, with no real
protective ability at all. Just a hunch.

I'm with Wyatt, here, I'd never buy this kind of stuff at a dollar store.

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Wyatt M. Portendt wrote:
&gt; If it works, then I guess that's fine. Three amps is probably enough
> to run a computer and printer as a general rule, but it's really not
> much. Since a 100W light bulb at 115V is very nearly an amp by
> itself, and most computers will draw two to three amps, it doesn't
> leave much room. I never would buy something like that from the
> dollar store, so I'm not surprised that it's rated so low.
>;
> I just checked all six of mine within my office and they were all
> rated at 15 Amps. Two of them are cheapies, the rest I paid a few
> more dollars for. I would think, as an electrician, that anything
> that has four or more outlets and is rated at anything less than ten
> amps is practically useless. I'm sure you can find them, but *most*
> of the ones I see are rated at 15 amps. I guess because I'm an
> electrician I look at that sort of thing more than the average person
> and assume that since it's not the norm, that it's probably not
> common. Obviously, if they're at the dollar store, there's quite a
> few of them out there. I stand corrected. Sorry.
&gt;
> Wyatt M. Portendt
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&gt;
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&gt;
>
> On Sep 15, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Howard wrote:
&gt;
>
>>; I have two rated at 3 amps.
&gt;>
&gt;> No name,from dollar store.
&gt;>
&gt;>
&gt;> ----- Original Message -----
&gt;> From: "Wyatt M. Portendt&quot; < deacon.zeke%40gmail.com">deacon.zekegmail.com>
>;> To: < Computer_Help_and_Discussion%40yahoogroups.com">Computer_Help_and_Discussionyahoogroups.com>;
>>; Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:31 PM
>&gt; Subject: Re: [CHAD] Surgers
>>
>>
>>
>>;> The original poster said that the circuit blew and that she added
&gt;>> another surge supressor. She didn't mention that the surge
&gt;>> protection was tripping and she added another one and had the same
>;>> problem which probably rules that out. It would appear that her
>>> circuit is overloaded or that her circuit breaker is failing. We
>&gt;> haven't heard from the original poster since either way.
>;>>
>>&gt; I haven't looked at *all* the surge strips out there, but I'd say
>>> five amps is pretty small. I would expect most of them to be rated
&gt;>> at around 15 amps. I have around ten computers (and related
>>>; peripherals) and all my stereo and TV's on a dedicated 20 amp circuit
>>>; and it's not even close to blowing the circuit breaker. Maybe if all
>>> of them were on at once it might get close, but I doubt close enough
&gt;>> to trip. Our voltage here is slightly higher than in some parts of
>&gt;> the country - we're at 125 volts, which is a little hot. Household
>>&gt; voltage can range from around 110 to 125. Less than 110, you'll have
>;>> more current (amps) and some devices won't like it and might fail
>;>> prematurely. MOST small electronics will fail prematurely if fed
>>> from more than 130V. If you're somewhere where you're getting less
>;>> than 110V, you'll draw a little more current on the entire load and
>>> that means you need another circuit or two.
>;>>
>>&gt; If you live somewhere in the country where random low voltages are
>>> prevalent (browns), then you'll have problems with circuits tripping
>>&gt; that otherwise would not. Either way, the original poster alluded to
>&gt;> the fact that her circuit was blowing and that splitting her computer
>>&gt; load between two "surgers" wasn't working. My advice was, and still
&gt;>> is, that she needs a qualified individual to ascertain what the
>>> specific problem is.
>>>
>>>; Wyatt M. Portendt
>>&gt; Group Moderator - iMacChat%40yahoogroups.com">iMacChatyahoogroups.com
&gt;>> Group Owner - Computer-Support%40yahoogroups.com">Computer-Supportyahoogroups.com
>>>; Group Owner - Computer_Chat_General%40yahoogroups.com">Computer_Chat_Generalyahoogroups.com
&gt;>>
>>> Mac Pro * 2 (x) 2.66 GHz Intel Xeon Dual Core * OS X 10.4.10 Tiger/
&gt;>> Windows XP Pro
>>> Dell Dimension E520 * Intel Core 2 E6420 Duo Processor 2.13 GHZ *
>&gt;> Ubuntu Linux
&gt;>> Asus (Homebuilt) * AMD XP64 3400+ * Windows XP Pro
>>> 20" iMac * Intel Core Duo 2.0 GHz * OS X 10.4.10 Tiger
&gt;>>
>>&gt;
>&gt;> On Sep 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Howard wrote:
&gt;>>
>>>
>>;>> If shes using a 3 or 5 amp surger it`ll blow any time she uses the
>>>>; puter or
>&gt;>> anything else that`ll draw 5 or more amps.
&gt;>>&gt;
>&gt;>> You guys keep telling her to have the circuit checked but it s prob
>;>>&gt; not the
>>>>; circuit,its a puter that draws to much current for the surger.
>>>;>
>;>>&gt; Don`t you think she should check the amp rating on her puter and
>>>>; surger
&gt;>>> first to make sure they match?
&gt;>>> ----- Original Message -----
&gt;>>&gt; From: "Abed Zantout&quot; < azantout2001%40yahoo.com">azantout2001yahoo.com>
>;>>&gt; To: < Computer_Help_and_Discussion%40yahoogroups.com">Computer_Help_and_Discussionyahoogroups.com>;
>>;>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:05 PM
>&gt;>> Subject: Re: [CHAD] Surgers
>>>;>
>;>>&gt;
>&gt;>>
>>;>>&gt; Another fact Lynn needs to be aware of is that any surge protector
>>&gt;>> she
>>>>;>
>>;>> uses will also be plugged into that same circuit that keeps blowing.
>>&gt;>
>>;>>&gt; Therefore using a surge protector at this point does no goo.
>;>>&gt;> As David said, the circuit itself needs to be checked out for
>>>>;> what is
>&gt;>>>
>>;>> tripping it or blowing the fuse.
&gt;>>&gt;
>>;>>&gt; It it was my house, I would make that a priority.
>>&gt;>>
>>>>>; Good luck
>;>>&gt;> Abed
>;>>&gt;>
&gt;>>&gt;>
&gt;>>>> David Smith < dbsmith%40atbbs.dyndns.org">dbsmithatbbs.dyndns.org>; wrote:
&gt;>>>> It was 10 Sep 2007, when Lyn commented:
>>>>>;
>>;>>&gt;
>>;>>&gt;> How do you know when you need a surger and what type to buy? My
>&gt;>>>> circuit keep blowing, I added two surgers and stilll it blew.
&gt;>>&gt;>>
>>;>>&gt; Depends on what "still blew.";
>>;>>&gt;
>&gt;>>&gt; Surge protectors also usually contain a current-limiting fuse.
&gt;>>&gt;> Usually
>>>;>> you're limited to 15 amps or so. 15 amps is A Lot Of Current. Most
>;>>&gt;> household circuits, what you're plugged into, are limited to less
>;>>&gt;> than 15
>&gt;>>> amps, sometimes much less.
&gt;>>&gt;>
&gt;>>>> If you're blowing the fuse for the circuit, you're simply using
>>;>>&gt; more
>;>>&gt;> current than that circuit can provide. The fuse is -supposed- to
>>;>>&gt; blow
>;>>&gt;> under those conditions. The other alternative is Stuff Starts on
>&gt;>>> Fire.
&gt;>>&gt;>
&gt;>>>> That would be bad.
>;>>&gt;>
&gt;>>&gt;> What we've done at my house, in some cases, is to run a circuit
>>;>>&gt; to a
>&gt;>>&gt; special area just for that (computer or whatever) load. Might help.
&gt;>>&gt;>
&gt;>>>> But hey, how much computer stuff needs that much current? Doesn't
>>>;>> happen
&gt;>>>> often. So there's something seriously wrong, if the actually
>>;>>&gt; circuit
>>>;>> breaker keeps popping. So you need to have a professional take a
>&gt;>>&gt; serious
>>>;>> look at what loads you have on there, and maybe help you sort out
>>>>;> what you
>>>>;> really have to have plugged in on that circuit.
>>&gt;>>
>>&gt;>> And maybe some device plugged into that strip is shorting out,
>;>>&gt;> which means
&gt;>>&gt;> you really need to stop using it and find a replacement, perhaps.
>>&gt;>>
>>&gt;>> IF that's what's happening, you really do need to take a serious
>>>;>> look at
>&gt;>>> what's causing that. That's dangerous, and potentially fatal.
&gt;>>>>

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