About a couple of licenses in Japanese

As usual, I'm having some problems with licenses in
Japanese.

>From what I can understand, this license is free (public
domain, in fact):

The Match-Makers (http://osabisi.sakura
.ne.jp/m2/):
http://879.hana
c200x.jp/se/index.html

       
$B$3$3$NAG:`$OCx:n8"%U%j!<$G$9$N$G!">&M
Q$G$b2?$G$b<+M3$K;H$C$FD:$$$F9=$$$^$;$s!#(B

        "This material is copyright free, you can
freely use it."

But, of course, I'm not totally sure, so I'd like a
confirmation.


I have some doubts regarding this other one:

Hanac200x (http://879.hanac200x.jp/
):
http://o
sabisi.sakura.ne.jp/m2/material.html

It seems to be free, but I'm not exactly sure whether it
makes some
restrictions about its usage (commercial use or use in
pornographic
stuff). If it was so, it obviously wouldn't be DFSG-free.
Can anyone
confirm, please?

Thanks!! 

Miry


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2008/1/7, Ian Lewis <ianmlewisgmail.com>:
> Miriam,
>
> http://879.hana
c200x.jp/se/index.html
>
> This site does appear to be copyright free and allows
commercial and
> non-commercial use. For commercial use however you need
to contact the
> author.
>
> 
$B$3$3$NAG:`$OCx:n8"%U%j!<$G$9$N$G!">&M
Q$G$b2?$G$b<+M3$K;H$C$FD:$$$F9=$$$^$;$s!#(B
>
$BC"$7!">&MQ$NAG:`=8$KF~$l$k;~$O;vA0$K$4O&
quot;Mm2<$5$$!#(B

That's quite interesting. If there's a requirement that you
have to
contact the author before using it commercially I guess that
would
sadly make it non-free. In my opinion being copyright-free
and having
that requirement is a contradiction, but if I want to play
safe, I
guess I'll have to consider it non-free unless it is
clarified. I
wonder if it's a requirement or just a "it would be
nice if you
contacted me, but it is not needed" kind of note, but
from your words
it seems to be the former. Pity.

> http://o
sabisi.sakura.ne.jp/m2/material.html
>
> This site however seems to not allow redistribution
without permission.
>
> $B2?$i$+$NAO:nJ*$N0lIt$H$7$F;HMQ$;$:$K(B
$BAG:`$=$NJ*$N$_$r(B
>  $BL5CG$GE>:!&G[I[$9$k;v$O6X;_$$$?$7$^$9(B
> 
$B!JAG:`%G!<%?$H$7$F$NE>:!&:FG[I[$r9T$$$?$$>l
9g$O(B $B;vA0$K(B
>  $B$4AjCL2<$5$$!K(B
>
>  It also forbids derivative works without permission.
>
>
$B$3$3$NAG:`$r2C9)!&2~B$$7$?J*$r(B"$BAG:`$H$7$F
(B"$B9-$/G[I[$9$k;v$b$G$-$^$;$s(B
> 
$B!JG[I[$r9T$$$?$$>l9g$O;vA0$K$4AjCL2<$5$$!K(B
>

Hmm... that seems to make it totally non-free.

> I hope that helps.

Yup, it certainly helps a lot!!! Thanks for the quick
answer! 

Greetings,
Miry


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On Jan 7, 2008 12:44 PM, Ian Lewis <ianmlewisgmail.com> wrote:
> A literal translation would be "Since this work is
copyright free I do not
> mind if you use it freely, commercially or
non-commercially. However, If you
> include it in a commercial work, please contact me
before hand.".
>
> Interpret that however you will. It is not a legal
document. I personally
> would interpret it like the creative commons "free
for non-commercial use"
> clause.

It sounds to me more like a polite request rather than a
legal
requirement. To put it another way, if you *failed* to
contact the
author beforehand, it is difficult to see how he could then
claim that
your commercial use of the software violated copyright
(since he has
already expressly disclaimed any copyright).

That said, the ideal solution would be to get a
clarification from the
author confirming that he only meant this as a request
rather than a
legally-enforceable requirement.

John

(TINLA)


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hi,

> A literal translation would be "Since this work is
copyright free I do not
> mind if you use it freely, commercially or
non-commercially. However, If you
> include it in a commercial work, please contact me
before hand.".
>
> Interpret that however you will. It is not a legal
document. I personally
> would interpret it like the creative commons "free
for non-commercial use"
> clause.

It would be,
" --, However, If you include them in the commercial
collection of
materials, please contact me beforehand."
It regards them("commercial" collection of
materials) as an exception.

NG: "commercial" collection of materials
OK: collection of materials
OK: other products

> That said, the ideal solution would be to get a
clarification from the
> author confirming that he only meant this as a request
rather than a
> legally-enforceable requirement.

I'll contact the author, if I may.

regards,
--
KURASHIKI Satoru


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On Jan 7, 2008 1:43 PM, Satoru KURASHIKI <lurdangmail.com> wrote:
> It would be,
> " --, However, If you include them in the
commercial collection of
> materials, please contact me beforehand."
> It regards them("commercial" collection of
materials) as an exception.
>
> NG: "commercial" collection of materials
> OK: collection of materials
> OK: other products

Thanks for clarifying the translation. On that basis, I
think there is
a clear need for clarification from the author.

> > That said, the ideal solution would be to get a
clarification from the
> > author confirming that he only meant this as a
request rather than a
> > legally-enforceable requirement.
>
> I'll contact the author, if I may.

Thanks. I think that is definitely necessary, given your
comments above.

John

(TINLA)


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2008/1/8, Ian Lewis <ianmlewisgmail.com>:

> Point taken. Japanese courts seem to be a bit more
concerned with intent
> rather than the strength of the wording of a written
agreement. If
> non-commercial use being prohibited without permission
is non-free then this
> work should be interpreted as non-free.

Yup, I'll consider it non-free then. Thanks everybody in the
thread,
you've been of great help!! 

Miry


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