Each Wikipedia is autonomous. So long as they fall within
the very broad Wikipedia policies which apply to all
language versions, they are free to conduct the matters you
are discussing as they see fit. As to censorship, the
English Wikipedia also regularly deletes objectionable
material, but applies a different standard. We also ban
users, but are much more careful. As a consequence we have
some very nasty material that has been impossible to get rid
of, and sometimes let users disrupt the site for months
before we finally come to a decision to ban them.
We have to deal with thousands of people; thus there is no
way to simply grok what needs to be done and do it. A
smaller, more cohesive community may feel able to proceed in
a more intuitive way, but as noted, mistakes can be make.
Fred
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Yonatan Horan [mailto:yonatanh gmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 01:32 PM
>To: foundation-llists.wikimedia.org
>Subject: [Foundation-l] Censorship: Speedy deletion of
porn articles
>
>Hi,
>
>It has recently (about two months ago) come to my
attention that articles on
>the Hebrew Wikipedia are speedy deleted. I translated
the Jenna Jameson
>article from the English Wikipedia and it was very
quickly speedy deleted
>and I was indefinitely blocked due to being a sockpuppet
of some guy (of
>course no checkuser request was done). By the way, I
don't particularly like
>porn articles or anything of the sort; in fact, I don't
believe I've ever
>edited a porn article on the enwp which I'm very active
on. After a few days
>(during which I complained on Danny's enwp talk page and
thus got the
>attention of a Hebrew Wikipedia admin and later spoke on
the phone with
>another admin from hewp) I was unblocked. I'm guessing
there have probably
>been other people who just gave up after they were
banned and didn't return.
>
>The situation is basically that if a user who isn't
well-known on the hewp
>(someone outside of a group of about 100 users) creates
such an article he
>will probably be perm-banned and if anyone else does so,
the article will
>probably just be speedy deleted. No rule has been passed
on the Hebrew
>Wikipedia regarding this and even if it had been passed,
it would be in
>violation of WMF (?) guidelines as Wikipedia is not
censored. Some claim
>that a rule has been passed but many admins disagree
with this. The "vote"
>was passed about two years ago and had 10-20
participants. In addition to
>this, the vote came at a time when the Hebrew Wikipedia
was repeatedly
>vandalized by a certain user and many of the voters
supposedly for the
>banning of porn articles referred only to this specific
case (this is
>supported by their comments on the page).
>
>By the way, just so nobody corrects me, on the Hebrew
Wikipedia *there are
>votes* since consensus is hardly ever reached and the
total needed to pass a
>vote is a ridiculous 55%. Anyway, despite all the above,
a few admins have
>said that they will speedy delete any porn articles
created on the Hebrew
>Wikipedia. Currently there are a few porn articles which
are about the movie
>Deep Throat and two other articles that I don't recall
at the moment. This
>is a foundation issue because the situation right now is
effectively
>censorship of articles that some people feel do not have
a place on the
>wikipedia. I know I will probably have those who
disagree with me be
>notified of this discussion at some point at which point
the slandering will
>begin and I will be called a "snitch" and
possibly other more colorful terms
>so I ask ahead of time for this discussion to remain
civil. Although I hate
>to burden Danny, who probably has a lot of more
important things to do, he
>is the only one who speaks both Hebrew and English and
could take care of
>this issue since he is obviously a person trusted by
most. Anyway I think
>I've written more than enough on an issue that should be
pretty
>straightforward, that is, that wikipedia is not
censored.
>
>Thanks,
>Yonatan
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