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NC For Software
user name
2006-09-07 11:23:24
One thing I am noticing is that people are starting to use
NC for software.
There was an example of this at the iCommons summit where
someone had released
some abandoneware under NC. Thus defeating the point of
abandonware, which is
to encourage the ongoing availability of work that will not
be developed
further.

More often though I'm seeing JavaScript and PHP scripts
being released as NC.
The CMS theme question on the license list just now is an
example of this. The
reasons for NC-ing scripts are worse than for NC-ing almost
any other kind of
software. Scripts are small, easily re-used and will return
great value to the
author if they are incorporated in derivative works that the
author can re-use
to make money. They may look more like text than other forms
of code, but they
are still software.

Non-commercial, educational, etc. licenses for software lost
out to actually
free licenses years ago. It's just a little frustrating to
see people mis-using
an NC content license on software in this way.

/rant.

I suppose the thing I'd like to say to CC is please can you
guys re-emphasise
that the licenses are not for software. 

- Rob.

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NC For Software
user name
2006-09-08 13:43:38
A non CreativeCommons solution would be to have
the folks who do abandonware to find a license
and declare it the "abandonware license".
Maybe the BSD license?

Then it would be clear when someone says they're
releasing abandonware, but the license is something
more restrictive. Hopefully that would point folks
in the right direction.

As for CC, the problem I see is that CC is a
"spectrum of rights" organization, and their
biggest customers (users of licenses) are
market economy folks, not gift economy folks.

People are using CC licenses to give away free
samples in hopes of being discovered and getting
that million dollar contract for their work.

If there were any "solution" in the CC space,
it would be to change "spectrum of rights" to
something a little more selective. There may
be a "spectrum" but there really is only
market economy licenses and gift economy licenses.

The problem I see is that saying "spectrum"
is saying that CC-SA is a different shade of
CC-NC-ND. It's on the same "spectrum", right?
Wrong.

If CC binned their licenses into
"these are for community projects"
and "these are for proprietary projects",
then maybe folks would stop kidding themselves
into thinking CC-NC-SA is a good license
for their community project.

Of course, that would mean that one bin would
have CC-SA, CC-BY, and CC-BY-SA, and the other
bin would have every other possible combination.
Which would mean all those CC-BY-NC-SA folks
out there would suddenly realize that they're
"community project" aint so community friendly.
But at this point, a spade is a spade, and we're
just putting the word "spade" on it.

Greg

> One thing I am noticing is that people are starting to
use NC for
> software.
> There was an example of this at the iCommons summit
where someone had
> released
> some abandoneware under NC. Thus defeating the point of
abandonware, which
> is
> to encourage the ongoing availability of work that will
not be developed
> further.
>
> More often though I'm seeing JavaScript and PHP
scripts being released as
> NC.
> The CMS theme question on the license list just now is
an example of this.
> The
> reasons for NC-ing scripts are worse than for NC-ing
almost any other kind
> of
> software. Scripts are small, easily re-used and will
return great value to
> the
> author if they are incorporated in derivative works
that the author can
> re-use
> to make money. They may look more like text than other
forms of code, but
> they
> are still software.
>
> Non-commercial, educational, etc. licenses for software
lost out to
> actually
> free licenses years ago. It's just a little
frustrating to see people
> mis-using
> an NC content license on software in this way.
>
> /rant.
>
> I suppose the thing I'd like to say to CC is please
can you guys
> re-emphasise
> that the licenses are not for software. 
>
> - Rob.
>
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What happens when one editor prefers
Sneetches with stars on their bellies,
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NC For Software
user name
2006-09-08 13:43:38
A non CreativeCommons solution would be to have
the folks who do abandonware to find a license
and declare it the "abandonware license".
Maybe the BSD license?

Then it would be clear when someone says they're
releasing abandonware, but the license is something
more restrictive. Hopefully that would point folks
in the right direction.

As for CC, the problem I see is that CC is a
"spectrum of rights" organization, and their
biggest customers (users of licenses) are
market economy folks, not gift economy folks.

People are using CC licenses to give away free
samples in hopes of being discovered and getting
that million dollar contract for their work.

If there were any "solution" in the CC space,
it would be to change "spectrum of rights" to
something a little more selective. There may
be a "spectrum" but there really is only
market economy licenses and gift economy licenses.

The problem I see is that saying "spectrum"
is saying that CC-SA is a different shade of
CC-NC-ND. It's on the same "spectrum", right?
Wrong.

If CC binned their licenses into
"these are for community projects"
and "these are for proprietary projects",
then maybe folks would stop kidding themselves
into thinking CC-NC-SA is a good license
for their community project.

Of course, that would mean that one bin would
have CC-SA, CC-BY, and CC-BY-SA, and the other
bin would have every other possible combination.
Which would mean all those CC-BY-NC-SA folks
out there would suddenly realize that they're
"community project" aint so community friendly.
But at this point, a spade is a spade, and we're
just putting the word "spade" on it.

Greg

> One thing I am noticing is that people are starting to
use NC for
> software.
> There was an example of this at the iCommons summit
where someone had
> released
> some abandoneware under NC. Thus defeating the point of
abandonware, which
> is
> to encourage the ongoing availability of work that will
not be developed
> further.
>
> More often though I'm seeing JavaScript and PHP
scripts being released as
> NC.
> The CMS theme question on the license list just now is
an example of this.
> The
> reasons for NC-ing scripts are worse than for NC-ing
almost any other kind
> of
> software. Scripts are small, easily re-used and will
return great value to
> the
> author if they are incorporated in derivative works
that the author can
> re-use
> to make money. They may look more like text than other
forms of code, but
> they
> are still software.
>
> Non-commercial, educational, etc. licenses for software
lost out to
> actually
> free licenses years ago. It's just a little
frustrating to see people
> mis-using
> an NC content license on software in this way.
>
> /rant.
>
> I suppose the thing I'd like to say to CC is please
can you guys
> re-emphasise
> that the licenses are not for software. 
>
> - Rob.
>
> _______________________________________________
> cc-community mailing list
> cc-communitylists.ibiblio.org
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-community
>


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Wikipedia and the Great Sneetches War
http://www.somerigh
tsreserved.org

What happens when one editor prefers
Sneetches with stars on their bellies,
and another editor prefers no stars on thars.

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