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e-mail size (was: Re: ccSalon showcase event)
user name
2006-11-21 09:12:57
Dear All

The Australian ccSalon is a great initiative, thanks for the
info, Dr 
Coates.

However, why copy the full content, objects included, of 
http://creative
commons.org.au/ccsalon in an html / rich text e-mail? As

a result, it weighed 1302 kb.

True, nowadays, the old "text-only no attachments"
rule for 
mailing-lists may have been rendered obsolete, because if
people have 
access to the internet at all, it is in most cases broadband
access.

In most cases but not in all, though: there are places
within 10 miles 
of Lugano where you can't get broadband, let alone in far
less 
economically favored areas of the world.

And broadband is not the only factor. For instance my
provider, 
bluewin.ch, limits storage capacity for e-mail accounts to
30 Mb if you 
have low-range broadband access, 10 Mb if you are on
dial-up. I have the 
former, but can still travel, even with seldom possibilities
to read my 
mail via the web, in spite of the fact that I often get over
200 
legitimate messages a day, mainly from mailing lists,
because most of 
them are light. But when I am traveling, 25 e-mails over
1'300kb between 
times I can check my mails via the web would block my
account. And even 
if I caught the mammoths in time, I would have to delete
them or 
reforward them to myself without the attachments before
deleting them.

And again, I am among the priviledged. Many people -
including Cc 
activists - can *only* have web e-mail and can *only* use
public access 
points, with no possibility to download it, as many public
access point 
don't allow downloading to an external support (USB key for
instance). 
Granted, web e-mail storage (say for Yahoo or Gmail) has
dramatically 
increased in the last years. Nevertheless, should e-mails
over 1'000 kb 
should become normal in mailing lists, this would create a
problem.

So why not decide that if objects like PDFs or images are
also available 
on the web, we give the URL for them in e-mails rather than
attaching them?

Best

Claude Almansi


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R: Strange behaviour
user name
2006-11-21 09:26:07
I saw that the problem is an high slowlyness during bayes
database access.. In fact, I have disabled access Mysql DB
in local.cf file of SA and I never get error messages like
that below..

So I think that the messages: thread_create() failed point
out in this case to the impossibility to connect to database
or at a timeout during connection..

On the other server I get a different message but rising the
verbosity of amavis-milter at max I get the same errors,
similar like this:

Nov 20 22:15:01 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: Mon Nov 20
22:15:01 2006 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: kAKLEKRg017718:
(mlfi_eoh)
Nov 20 22:15:01 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: Mon Nov 20
22:15:01 2006 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: kAKLEKRg017718:
(mlfi_eom)
Nov 20 22:15:01 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: Mon Nov 20
22:15:01 2006 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: kAKLEKRg017718:
(mlfi_eom) alloca
te socket()
Nov 20 22:15:01 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: Mon Nov 20
22:15:01 2006 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: kAKLEKRg017718:
(mlfi_eom) connec
t
Nov 20 22:15:01 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: Mon Nov 20
22:15:01 2006 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: kAKLEKRg017718:
(mlfi_eom) failed
 to connect(): No such file or directory
Nov 20 22:15:01 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: Mon Nov 20
22:15:01 2006 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: kAKLEKRg017718:
(mlfi_eom) commun
ication failure
Nov 20 22:15:01 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: Mon Nov 20
22:15:01 2006 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: kAKLEKRg017718:
(mlfi_cleanup) de
leting temp file
Nov 20 22:15:01 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: Mon Nov 20
22:15:01 2006 av3 amavis-milter[17764]: kAKLEKRg017718:
(mlfi_cleanup) cl
earing message vari

I would be happy to get further insight about this
argument...

rocsca

> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: amavis-user-bounceslists.sourceforge.net 
> [mailto:amavis-user-bounceslists.sourceforge.net] Per
conto 
> di Rocco Scappatura
> Inviato: lunedì 20 novembre 2006 10.58
> A: amavis-userlists.sourceforge.net
> Oggetto: [AMaViS-user] Strange behaviour
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I looking for clarifications on
> amavisd-milter-userslists.sourceforge.net, but
someone has 
> answered me saying that I can't get any such answer
because 
> amavis-milter included in amavisd-new is not maintained
there..
> 
> So I will try to get an answer from this mailing-list:
> 
> I have two server with amavis/sendmail setup for
amavisd-new. 
> Both have the same software installed:
> 
> 1) amavisd-new-2.2.1
> 2) sendmail-8.13.8
> 3) clamav-0.85.1
> 
> What is different is the OS:
> 
> on the first: SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 (x86_64)
with 
> the following ulimit values:
> 
> core file size        (blocks, -c) 0
> data seg size         (kbytes, -d) unlimited
> file size             (blocks, -f) unlimited
> max locked memory     (kbytes, -l) unlimited
> max memory size       (kbytes, -m) unlimited
> open files                    (-n) 1024
> pipe size          (512 bytes, -p) 8
> stack size            (kbytes, -s) 8192
> cpu time             (seconds, -t) unlimited
> max user processes            (-u) 38912
> virtual memory        (kbytes, -v) unlimited
> 
> on the second: SuSE Linux 9.0
> 
> core file size        (blocks, -c) 0
> data seg size         (kbytes, -d) unlimited
> file size             (blocks, -f) unlimited
> max locked memory     (kbytes, -l) unlimited
> max memory size       (kbytes, -m) unlimited
> open files                    (-n) 16384
> pipe size          (512 bytes, -p) 8
> stack size            (kbytes, -s) unlimited
> cpu time             (seconds, -t) unlimited
> max user processes            (-u) 7168
> virtual memory        (kbytes, -v) 2496560
> 
> I get two different error messages on the milter logs
due to 
> the high load of the servers (I think):
> 
> On the first: 
> 
> (mlfi_eom) smfi_addheader failed, perhaps milter
session timed out 
> 
> On the second:
> 
> amavis-milter: thread_create() failed: 11, try again
> 
> What it can be?
> 
> I observed that while on the first machine there is
only one 
> amavis-milter process, on the second machine there is
one 
> parent and many many child (one for each of computed 
> message). Why thre is this difference (NB: there are
the same 
> configuration either on the fist and on the second
machine).
> 
> Could some one give me some answer? Or at least tell me
where 
> I can get An answer? It can be a problem of
amavis/sendmail 
> setup? I t would be better to use Amavis/postfix setup?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> rocsca
> 
>
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