CC licensing

On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 10:54 -0500, Russell Ossendryver
wrote:
> Dude this stuff is complicated 
> 
> >This sounds like a good question for the
cc-community list. Can I
> forward this on for more help?
> 
> Absolutely
> 
> For example, i bought images  in a CD collection and
intergrated the
> images with borders/frames from other designers, (some
borders/frames
> where commisioned and hence I own them) and then added
text boxes with
> different fonts/colors to create the LABEL DESIGN which
can be
> personalized. Similar to this:
> http://www.fotosearch.com/value-discs/terra-botanica
/TFM112/ and from
> other  photograph/illustrations stock companies.
> 
> I say I but had designers do it 

Right...so, it sounds like you own the work created by the
designers,
but the images you are using, you only purchased commercial
rights to
use that image and don't own it, and hence, can't relicense
it. Yes, I
just read over a few of the "Royalty Free License"
from that URL above
and can confirm this...they maintain a high level of control
over the
image even though you can use it for free...also, looks like
you can't
put the image online on some of the images from various
collections.

Check out all the licenses:

http
://www.fotosearch.com/stock-photo-licensing/ (this is
quite
amazing!!! I think they need to all find out about CC)

> Is  "terms of uses" a licence in away and
hence a license can be
> applied to the template without permission needed for
re-license?
> 
> Best

No, you would need written permission to re-license most of
the images
from this collection if I'm not mistaken...

I'm cc'ing the cc-community list to get more opinions. What
do you all
think about this? Russell is hoping to release 500 labels
with more
customized designs that consist of "royalty free"
clip art, his
companies labels (public domain), and he paid designers to
lay them out.

It seems like massive land mines to use this clip art and
nearly
impossible to re-license the images especially with the
landmine of 50
different licenses for stock photos from the URL above. What
do you all
think?

I recommend that he uses clip art from Open Clip Art Library
and/or
spend time to document what is needed and try to pull from
public domain
and other licensed compatible works.

Oh, he wants to cc-license this 500 label collection...

Jon

> 
> On 11/29/06, Jon Phillips <jonrejon.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 22:59 -0500, Russell
Ossendryver wrote:
> > > Hi Jon
> > >
> > > I am working on launching a Pre-designed
label template gallery in
> > > Opendocument Format, about 500 labels already
designed: Wine labels -
> > > Wedding labels including Wedding CD and
Wedding Wine labels - Book
> > > labels for Adults and Kids - Kitchen Canning
Labels - Bottle and Jar
> > > labels, custom personalized Shipping,
Address, Mailing, CD labels -
> > > Candle and Family labels, international
shipping warning labels and
> > > more for free
> > >
> > > Some of the templates i know will be P.D.,
however most are made with
> > > graphics i have purshased "royalty
free" others I paid a "commercial
> > > license fee", some i have to give credit
to the orginal graphic artist
> > > were the label is shown.
> > >
> > > The terms of uses:  As long as you use the
templates for its intended
> > > purpose of printing your own labels: do not
alter or use the images
> > > for any other purpose, do not profit by
selling these templates, you
> > > are free to print any amount of labels you
want. This work is licensed
> > > by Creative Commons attribution --------- OR
CC Public Domain if
> > > stated.
> > >
> > > My question is which attribution do I use?
> >
> > This is a good question. The royalty free images
are real tricky because
> > they are basically saying, use freely, but don't
sell the images
> > outright. This sounds like a good question for the
cc-community list.
> > Can I forward this on for more help? That is a
good list for helping to
> > solve these things...
> >
> > How many of the labels use the
"royalty-free" images? Maybe the Open
> > Clip Art Library can help?
> >
> > Oh, they are already designed...hmmmm...I think
you might want to
> > contact the original artists/place where you
bought to ask them about
> > these images and if you can re-license with a CC
license.
> >
> > The only ones you are clear to relicense would be
where the owners give
> > you consent, or you own the copyright to the work.
Does this make sense?
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Russell
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> >
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Quoting Jon Phillips <jonrejon.org>:

> I'm cc'ing the cc-community list to get more opinions.
What do you all
> think about this? Russell is hoping to release 500
labels with more
> customized designs that consist of "royalty
free" clip art, his
> companies labels (public domain), and he paid designers
to lay them out.

If the images are governed by a non-CC license then the CC
license 
cannot be the
entire agreement so it cannot be applied. I think you're
right that the work
cannot be CC licensed if the work is not clearly pure PD.

> I recommend that he uses clip art from Open Clip Art
Library and/or
> spend time to document what is needed and try to pull
from public domain
> and other licensed compatible works.

Tell us more about this "Open Clip Art Library",
Jon. 

> Oh, he wants to cc-license this 500 label collection...

The licensing of "royalty free", often actually PD
work, in clipart is an area
that really needs clearing up. I get quite annoyed at
publishers who claim
collective copyright on PD collections then try to license
individual works in
the collection to you. I won't touch anything from
"Dover" with a copyright in
it for this reason.

Using Open Clipart Library work really is the best idea. If
there's 
anything he
needs but isn't in the library yet this could be a good
challenge for the OCAL
community to create new resources.

IANAL, TINLA.

-Rob.

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On Thursday 30 November 2006 02:53 pm, robrobmyers.org wrote:
> Quoting Jon Phillips <jonrejon.org>:
> > I'm cc'ing the cc-community list to get more
opinions. What do you all
> > think about this? Russell is hoping to release 500
labels with more
> > customized designs that consist of "royalty
free" clip art, his
> > companies labels (public domain), and he paid
designers to lay them out.
>
> If the images are governed by a non-CC license then the
CC license
> cannot be the
> entire agreement so it cannot be applied. I think
you're right that the
> work cannot be CC licensed if the work is not clearly
pure PD.
>
> > I recommend that he uses clip art from Open Clip
Art Library and/or
> > spend time to document what is needed and try to
pull from public domain
> > and other licensed compatible works.
>
> Tell us more about this "Open Clip Art
Library", Jon. 
>
> > Oh, he wants to cc-license this 500 label
collection...
>
> The licensing of "royalty free", often
actually PD work, in clipart is an
> area that really needs clearing up. I get quite annoyed
at publishers who
> claim collective copyright on PD collections then try
to license individual
> works in the collection to you. I won't touch anything
from "Dover" with a
> copyright in it for this reason.

I think song publishers do this too.

You can get PD songs, claiming to be the best attempt at the
original works 
and also claiming a copyright on the individual songs in a
book of collected 
folk songs for example.
>
> Using Open Clipart Library work really is the best
idea. If there's
> anything he
> needs but isn't in the library yet this could be a good
challenge for the
> OCAL community to create new resources.
>
> IANAL, TINLA.
>
> -Rob.

all the best,

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On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:19 -0500, drew Roberts wrote:
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 02:53 pm, robrobmyers.org wrote:
> > Quoting Jon Phillips <jonrejon.org>:
> > > I'm cc'ing the cc-community list to get more
opinions. What do you all
> > > think about this? Russell is hoping to
release 500 labels with more
> > > customized designs that consist of
"royalty free" clip art, his
> > > companies labels (public domain), and he paid
designers to lay them out.
> >
> > If the images are governed by a non-CC license
then the CC license
> > cannot be the
> > entire agreement so it cannot be applied. I think
you're right that the
> > work cannot be CC licensed if the work is not
clearly pure PD.
> >
> > > I recommend that he uses clip art from Open
Clip Art Library and/or
> > > spend time to document what is needed and try
to pull from public domain
> > > and other licensed compatible works.
> >
> > Tell us more about this "Open Clip Art
Library", Jon. 
> >
> > > Oh, he wants to cc-license this 500 label
collection...
> >
> > The licensing of "royalty free", often
actually PD work, in clipart is an
> > area that really needs clearing up. I get quite
annoyed at publishers who
> > claim collective copyright on PD collections then
try to license individual
> > works in the collection to you. I won't touch
anything from "Dover" with a
> > copyright in it for this reason.
> 
> I think song publishers do this too.
> 
> You can get PD songs, claiming to be the best attempt
at the original works 
> and also claiming a copyright on the individual songs
in a book of collected 
> folk songs for example.

Yeah, so I guess the proper thing to do would be to go back
to the
originals, digitize them and make them available on-line to
remove this
problem from the situation.

Anyone wanna help the Open Clip Art Library
(www.openclipart.org) by
going to the originals, scanning them and making this
available as a
resource for the world?

The same should be done for music/scores and other content
in the public
domain...which brings me back to the a great business idea I
have for
digitization (of the analog world)...like kinkos but for
digitization of
your non-digital world. Is anyone interested in this?

Jon

> > Using Open Clipart Library work really is the best
idea. If there's
> > anything he
> > needs but isn't in the library yet this could be a
good challenge for the
> > OCAL community to create new resources.
> >
> > IANAL, TINLA.
> >
> > -Rob.
> 
> all the best,
> 
> drew
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On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 19:53 +0000, robrobmyers.org wrote:
> Quoting Jon Phillips <jonrejon.org>:
> 
> > I'm cc'ing the cc-community list to get more
opinions. What do you all
> > think about this? Russell is hoping to release 500
labels with more
> > customized designs that consist of "royalty
free" clip art, his
> > companies labels (public domain), and he paid
designers to lay them out.
> 
> If the images are governed by a non-CC license then the
CC license 
> cannot be the
> entire agreement so it cannot be applied. I think
you're right that the work
> cannot be CC licensed if the work is not clearly pure
PD.

Yes.

> > I recommend that he uses clip art from Open Clip
Art Library and/or
> > spend time to document what is needed and try to
pull from public domain
> > and other licensed compatible works.
> 
> Tell us more about this "Open Clip Art
Library", Jon. 

Ha: http://openclipart.org A
public domain collection of clip art
(SVG-based).

> > Oh, he wants to cc-license this 500 label
collection...
> 
> The licensing of "royalty free", often
actually PD work, in clipart is an area
> that really needs clearing up. I get quite annoyed at
publishers who claim
> collective copyright on PD collections then try to
license individual works in
> the collection to you. I won't touch anything from
"Dover" with a copyright in
> it for this reason.

Agree.

> Using Open Clipart Library work really is the best
idea. If there's 
> anything he
> needs but isn't in the library yet this could be a good
challenge for the OCAL
> community to create new resources.

Yes, I agree...it would be much better to submit needed
graphics as
request to Open Clip Art Library (which can be done), and
then let the
community fill these requests...then you get PD declared
images, others
can use them, and all is dandy 

Jon

> IANAL, TINLA.
> 
> -Rob.
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On Thursday 30 November 2006 03:27 pm, Jon Phillips wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:19 -0500, drew Roberts wrote:
> > On Thursday 30 November 2006 02:53 pm, robrobmyers.org wrote:
> > > Quoting Jon Phillips <jonrejon.org>:
> > > > I'm cc'ing the cc-community list to get
more opinions. What do you
> > > > all think about this? Russell is hoping
to release 500 labels with
> > > > more customized designs that consist of
"royalty free" clip art, his
> > > > companies labels (public domain), and he
paid designers to lay them
> > > > out.
> > >
> > > If the images are governed by a non-CC
license then the CC license
> > > cannot be the
> > > entire agreement so it cannot be applied. I
think you're right that the
> > > work cannot be CC licensed if the work is not
clearly pure PD.
> > >
> > > > I recommend that he uses clip art from
Open Clip Art Library and/or
> > > > spend time to document what is needed
and try to pull from public
> > > > domain and other licensed compatible
works.
> > >
> > > Tell us more about this "Open Clip Art
Library", Jon. 
> > >
> > > > Oh, he wants to cc-license this 500
label collection...
> > >
> > > The licensing of "royalty free",
often actually PD work, in clipart is
> > > an area that really needs clearing up. I get
quite annoyed at
> > > publishers who claim collective copyright on
PD collections then try to
> > > license individual works in the collection to
you. I won't touch
> > > anything from "Dover" with a
copyright in it for this reason.
> >
> > I think song publishers do this too.
> >
> > You can get PD songs, claiming to be the best
attempt at the original
> > works and also claiming a copyright on the
individual songs in a book of
> > collected folk songs for example.
>
> Yeah, so I guess the proper thing to do would be to go
back to the
> originals, digitize them and make them available
on-line to remove this
> problem from the situation.
>
> Anyone wanna help the Open Clip Art Library
(www.openclipart.org) by
> going to the originals, scanning them and making this
available as a
> resource for the world?
>
> The same should be done for music/scores and other
content in the public
> domain...which brings me back to the a great business
idea I have for
> digitization (of the analog world)...like kinkos but
for digitization of
> your non-digital world. Is anyone interested in this?

If the business idea results in more Free, preferably
copyleft works, I would 
like to hear it.
>
> Jon

all the best,

drew
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On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 19:46 -0500, drew Roberts wrote: 
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 03:27 pm, Jon Phillips
wrote:
> > On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:19 -0500, drew Roberts
wrote:
> > > On Thursday 30 November 2006 02:53 pm,
robrobmyers.org wrote:
> > > > Quoting Jon Phillips <jonrejon.org>:
> > > > > I'm cc'ing the cc-community list to
get more opinions. What do you
> > > > > all think about this? Russell is
hoping to release 500 labels with
> > > > > more customized designs that
consist of "royalty free" clip art, his
> > > > > companies labels (public domain),
and he paid designers to lay them
> > > > > out.
> > > >
> > > > If the images are governed by a non-CC
license then the CC license
> > > > cannot be the
> > > > entire agreement so it cannot be
applied. I think you're right that the
> > > > work cannot be CC licensed if the work
is not clearly pure PD.
> > > >
> > > > > I recommend that he uses clip art
from Open Clip Art Library and/or
> > > > > spend time to document what is
needed and try to pull from public
> > > > > domain and other licensed
compatible works.
> > > >
> > > > Tell us more about this "Open Clip
Art Library", Jon. 
> > > >
> > > > > Oh, he wants to cc-license this 500
label collection...
> > > >
> > > > The licensing of "royalty
free", often actually PD work, in clipart is
> > > > an area that really needs clearing up. I
get quite annoyed at
> > > > publishers who claim collective
copyright on PD collections then try to
> > > > license individual works in the
collection to you. I won't touch
> > > > anything from "Dover" with a
copyright in it for this reason.
> > >
> > > I think song publishers do this too.
> > >
> > > You can get PD songs, claiming to be the best
attempt at the original
> > > works and also claiming a copyright on the
individual songs in a book of
> > > collected folk songs for example.
> >
> > Yeah, so I guess the proper thing to do would be
to go back to the
> > originals, digitize them and make them available
on-line to remove this
> > problem from the situation.
> >
> > Anyone wanna help the Open Clip Art Library
(www.openclipart.org) by
> > going to the originals, scanning them and making
this available as a
> > resource for the world?
> >
> > The same should be done for music/scores and other
content in the public
> > domain...which brings me back to the a great
business idea I have for
> > digitization (of the analog world)...like kinkos
but for digitization of
> > your non-digital world. Is anyone interested in
this?
> 
> If the business idea results in more Free, preferably
copyleft works, I would 
> like to hear it.
> >
> > Jon
> 
> all the best,
> 
> drew

Ok, I added my notes on this idea to my wiki page.
Basically, the idea
is to create a business like FedexKinkos, but for converting
your analog
bits (photos, original works, old documents) into digital
bits of
varying quality for a fee...I think this would be a really
solid
business...anyone want to help start it?

Ok, please add your thoughts and expand on the wiki...I'll
then blog it
to get more involvement...

http:
//rejon.org/wiki/Digitization_Organization


Jon

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