Another thing to think about : metadata -- simply converting media is sometimes not really the hardest part, but its organizing it that is killer. How useful is a DVD with 500 images transferred from negatives?
Unfortunately, this process is quite time intensive and subjective, eg. Who wants the dude at the photo store tagging their family photos with "cute kid"?
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On 12/15/06, Jon Phillips < jon creativecommons.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
joncreativecommons.org> wrote:
On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 19:33 +0000, Justin Morgan wrote:
>; Can you not already take a roll of film or negatives to a photo
> development place, where they put your photos onto a CD or DVD?
Really, please add that to my wiki...
> Well, even if you can, I can't tell you how much I have, as a
> consumer, wished for an affordable way to digitize old stuff.
>; Families have entire bookshelves of old photo albums, cupboards full
> of old VHS tapes, analogue camcorder cassettes, old LPs in their
> attic, tape cassettes in untold numbers of drawers and documents they
> can't find time to sort through, but presumably you would have to
> insist that they only submit their own, original content. Not much of
> this content is going to be worth keeping on the web longer than it
> takes the owner to download it to their own computer, I suspect.
Agree...maybe this is something google hopes to get into
post-book-scanning... ;)
> So presumably people would mail in their tangible stuff, and the
> stuff would be digitized and made available to download. There are
> already other services that take your digital content and put it back
> onto physical media, after all. Having said that, in the case of
> video content, it would make more sense to mail a DVD back to the
> customer wouldn't it?
It could be mailed, but I like the idea of making local shops as well
for accountability...who wants to mail their personal stuff all over the
place with possibility for loss, etc?
The benefits though of focusing on this type of business would be to
drive down costs and standardize on some packages...its super expensive
to get this done at video houses and kinkos...maybe best is to do it
generically or something by weight...like 20 pounds of images X
$10/pound or something ;)
Jon
> On 15 Dec 2006, at 18:49, Jon Phillips wrote:
>;
> > On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 12:15 -0500, Fred Benenson wrote:
> >> It has been a while since I've been in San Francisco, but I'm pretty
>; >> sure there's a place that does this on Mission around 13th or 14th?
> >> They might just do DVD / VHS conversion, and they didn't seem to be
> >> particularly enlightened with respect to technology / the larger
>; >> trends here.
> >>
> >> Another thing to think about offerring : maybe a service to
> >> distribute
> >> the work, or at least get it online? I'd be curious if there is a
> >> demand for helping people get their stuff on
Archive.org, as it is
> >> kind of a difficult process if you're trying to do an entire
> >> movie. Of
> >> course, this extends to YouTube, etc..
> >>
> >>
> >> F
> >>
> > Yah, could you imagine having some flat fee like $50-100 to digitize a
> > photo album...I couldn't imagine families and others not wanting
> > this...anyone on this list good at market research?
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >> On 12/15/06, Jon Phillips <
joncreativecommons.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">joncreativecommons.org> wrote:
>; >> ; On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 19:46 -0500, drew Roberts wrote:
> >>> On Thursday 30 November 2006 03:27 pm, Jon Phillips wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:19 -0500, drew Roberts wrote:
>; >>>>> On Thursday 30 November 2006 02:53 pm, robrobmyers.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
robrobmyers.org
> >> ; wrote:
> >>>>>> Quoting Jon Phillips < jonrejon.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">jonrejon.org>:
> >>>>>>> I'm cc'ing the cc-community list to get more
> >> ; opinions. What do you
> >>>>>>> all think about this? Russell is hoping to release
> >> ; 500 labels with
> >>>>>>> more customized designs that consist of "royalty
> >> ; free" clip art, his
> >>>>>>> companies labels (public domain), and he paid
> >> ; designers to lay them
> >>>>>>> out.
>; >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If the images are governed by a non-CC license then
> >> ; the CC license
> >>>>>> cannot be the
> >>>>>> entire agreement so it cannot be applied. I think
>; >> ; you're right that the
> >>>>>> work cannot be CC licensed if the work is not clearly
> >> ; pure PD.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I recommend that he uses clip art from Open Clip Art
> >> ; Library and/or
>; >>>>>>> spend time to document what is needed and try to
> >> ; pull from public
>; >>>>>>> domain and other licensed compatible works.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tell us more about this "Open Clip Art Library",
> >> ; Jon. 
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh, he wants to cc-license this 500 label
>; >> ; collection...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The licensing of "royalty free", often actually PD
> >> ; work, in clipart is
> >>>>>> an area that really needs clearing up. I get quite
>; >> ; annoyed at
> >>>>>> publishers who claim collective copyright on PD
> >> ; &nbs |