On Sunday 11 June 2006 03:30 pm, M.A.Newhall wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, drew Roberts wrote:
> >> My goal is get as many people as possible to
read the book and tell me
> >> what they think.
> >
> > What is it about the particular license you have
chosen that makes you
> > think it will entice people to do this?
>
> Here is a question for you. When do you think it is
appropriate to use
> this CC license? How about that new Perl Jam video?
Do you think they
> were out of line picking the same license as I did?
People are free to use whatever license they want. I pretty
much have decided
not to give non-Free works my interest during my free time.
I likewise have
chosen not to spend my free time advising those trying to
promote such works
without charge. That is a general rule. If you are a friend,
I may make
exceptions. In your case, I made the exception becuase of
your LUG
involvement.
>
> There is a fundamental lie to the media industry. Even
fifteen years ago
> you needed to purchase the medium to get the content.
It was a
> practical restraint. So they tied all of their
financial tracking and
> legal protections to the finite medium model. That is
all over.
That is not my main issue in this arena. I am more concerned
with the ever
lengthing copyright terms, the creeping criminalization of
copyright
infringement, the laws seeking to eliminate fair use, the
analogue hole and
such.
>
> Even since about 1990-1995 (.mp3, cd-rw, Internet)
clever fans have
> figured out ways to separate the content from the
medium. This screws up
> the ability to make sales projections and subsequently
all contracts. Many
> of the top decision makers are really just
statisticians with jet planes,
> and now they are facing obsolescence. So, deciding it
was better to
> protect themselves than maximize sales, they attack the
clever fans. To
> give into a one time purchase with any medium used
after, screws with their
> stats. It also reveals another twisted injustice. The
profits for
> the statisticians are obscene, because the medium is
actually cheap.
>
> Fortunately with the exception of a few e-book
incidents, the book
> industry was the least unfair and overpriced of all the
copyright
> entertainment industries. Margins are small and so are
profits. So here
> I am deciding that this is the medium to communicate
with people, but
> refusing to live the lie. People will buy my book
because (well first
> because they are interested) they find it more
economically feasible and
> more convenient to buy it than to print their own.
See, I might buy it if it is Free, but other than that, why
am I to give my
precious time to reading it in the absence of a
recommendation from someone
who knows my tastes? Or other means I use to decide how to
spend that free
time...
>
> Just like all other copyright in the Internet age, it
becomes a service
> instead of good.
The way I look at things, the license you chose seeks to
keep it a good
instead of a service.
> A company can leverage my copyright to become the only
> bulk printer at a cheaper price than an individual can.
If there is a
> profit maybe I'll even make a few bucks.
Seems to me a company cn do this even with Free books. This
is one of the
problems I see that need to be solved. How, as an
individual, to sell your
own works in competition with companies selling the same
thing but who enjoy
economies of scale, etc.
>
> I guess at my core I don't want to see entertainment
copyright abolished
> or all forced into copyleft.
Well, I don't and I do. Not abolished, reigned in perhaps,
but not abolished.
Not forced into copyleft, but I want to see Free as the
preferred way to do
business. And when it comes to Free, I tend to prefer
copyleft to
non-copyleft.
> Operating system kernels will always have
> interest because of tangential motives, (like `I wrote
the program your
> million dollar operation is using, hire me or your
competitor will') but
> so many able artists have no tangential value until
they already very
> famous.
There is always book signings, promotional tours,
trademarks, etc. These may
be able to be used to favour one publisher over another.
>
> >> The plan was to release it under the CC first
knowing it
> >> couldn't be taken back. Then I would shop it
to publishers. I was
> >> hoping I could just skip the "shopping
it" step this time around and
> >> shop it along with it's sequel (I'm planning
four) with a really strong
> >> fan base. But I was having bad luck getting
people to read, review (bad
> >> reviews are good too I have a day job to fall
back on), or list the
> >> book.
> >>
> >> I was hoping the book industry was different
than the music or movie
> >> industries in that they didn't have a land
lock on the distribution and
> >> promotion channels.
> >
> > Here is a link about the publishing industry that
I have bookmarked:
> >
> > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~irvinei/publishing.html
>
> Thank you. This is a very good link, lots of
straightforward details.
> The brutal beating and lack of money in writing for new
writers is about
> what I expected. This is coherent with what I already
believed.
> Fortunately it does not clash with my goal; get the
maximum amount of
> people to read this story. Compared to the cost of
living in NY, it seems
> most advances would be a rounding error. I was already
prepared to write
> this series and be done with it, never leaving my
career while I do that.
>
> > You might want to check these links about writin
and publishing as well:
> >
> > http://nanonuts.blogspot.com/2005/10/co
pyright-essentials-for-writers.htm
> >l
>
> Old news I learned most of this stuff year two of being
an open source
> advocate.
>
> > http://nanonuts.blogspot.com/2005/10/previously-pu
blished.html
> > http://www.nanowrimo.org/modules/ne
wbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2622&viewmo
> >de=flat&order=ASC&start=0
>
> This is mainly why I was prepared not do any kind of
deal with this book.
> To date I have not sent a manuscript to a single
publisher. Honestly
> though I think this is worth it because I have received
a boatload of
> edits that have been invaluable in tuning my
grammatical skills.
>
> The plan was shop it to a few with full disclosure
about the site but not
> get discouraged. If the reviews aren't both sane and
terrible write the
> second book in the series and throw the first in for
free when I shop it.
> So far I have received only one so-so review, the rest
have been warm to
> glowing.
I figure you know about the Baen Free Library, but if not,
here is a link:
http:/
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baen_Free_Library
>
> > http://www.nanowrimo.org/modules/ne
wbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2622&forum=
> >150&post_id=266915#forumpost266915
>
> Here it is, the bottom line. Publishers that believe
that having a
> non-commercial non-modify copy of a book out there will
hurt them are
> acting more like the panicky statisticians of Hollywood
than they would
> like to admit. If I give this my all and I can't shop
the second book then
> I know there is no traditional channel for literary
criticism of the
> copyright and patent industries. Eventually
entertainment will compete on
> a level playing field elevating talent over insider
connections and luck,
> while maximizing the profits to the artists. Since I
do not need the
> royalties to survive I am pressing that advantage and
approaching sci-fi
> publishing from where it will be in the future, not
where it is now.
>
> Matt
>
>
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---------------
>---- Matthew Newhall
> President of LILUG
> Long Island Linux Users Group
> president lilug.org
> http://lilug.org
>
> Despite improved efficiency, copyrights, patents, and
fractional reserve
> banking share the same problem. The press does not
show numerically
> complete scaled annotated axises on published graphs,
and people do not
> know to ask for them.
Fractional Reserve Banking... Yum. Well, whatever.
all the best,
drew
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