On Sunday 29 October 2006 08:20 am, Jörg Zastrau wrote:
> Thank you guys for the clarifications. It seems that I
got the answers
> on the issues I raised. To sum it up:
>
> - license compatibility
>
> >>> [me]
> >>> - Is the issue of mixing GNU FDL content
with by-sa content resolved?
> >>
> >> [Henri Sivonen]
> >> No. You can have them side by side on the same
audio device. [..]
>
> In this usage case I'll have to make sure I work with
"citations" or
> get permissions from upstream in the case that I
distribute the
> resulting work widely - ok - So there is still an issue
which license
> to choose for my derivative (bummer). I would be
surprised if I could
> get one of the original authors to re license his work
8-(
>
> - personal DRM usage
>
> > [Rob]
> > For the Garmin example, there are other GPS
systems available and these
> > would be a better choice if Garmin went DRM
>
> This is political - If the licensee actually decides it
is o.k. for
> him to purchase a key from the manufacturer to use his
data on the
> device - i couldn't care less except maybe feeling pity
for this
> licensee.
>
> >>> [me]
> >>> - If the DRM-key is locked to the player
(comparable to Garmin GPS
> >>> devices) then Larry cannot distribute his
drm-enabled version to
> >>> somebody else in the future.
> >>
> >> [drew]
> >> I don't think anything is actually preventing
this solution.
> >>Can you explain the problem/objection you see
in more detail?
>
> and
>
> >> [drew]
> >>[,,] One where those in possessoin of the
device can apply the DRM
>
> to home-grown
>
> >>audio.
> >
> > [Rob]
> >IIRC the current wording of the 3.0 licence appears
to allow personal
> >addition of DRM.
>
> This is what I actually misunderstood. I thought that
the anti-DRM/TPM
> clause prohibits any use of such method for
distribution (some debian
> page stated that copying the work using ssl encryption
is not
> possible) . Most of my concerns are invalidated if
DRM/TPM it is
> allowed for "private distribution".
I think this may be a "wording issue" or a
misunderstanding. DRM/TPM may be
allowed for private application. I don't recall it being
allowed for "private
distribution".
>
> - vendor control
>
> >>> [me]
> >>> [..] so - why not consider that parallel
distribution approach [..]
> >>
> >> [drew]
> >> Some of us have considered it and don't want
it when it allows
>
> devices without
>
> >> the ability to play home-grown content to use
our BY-SA works.
>
> So the (largely political) position is to close all
loopholes in the
> CC licenses regarding tivoization-like attempts (at the
expense of a
> more impractical approach to distribute files for the
devices in
> question). ok.
I don't know if I see this as a largely political position.
It is just as much
about economics and Freedom.
Did you mean to say "(at the expense of a more
practical approach to
distribute files for the devices in question)"?
Give an example device with its abilities and restrictions
and let's see how
things shape up.
Like I say, I just got back in the loop, but I feel that the
"device under
discussion" keeps morphing and so the issue gets muddy.
The device which concerns some here is a hypothetical device
(are there any
like this now) that will not play non-DRMed content and will
not allow the
person in possession of the device to apply DRM for
themselves. This device
will force the person who wants to use it to obtain DRMed
versions of the
content from someone else, not the person holding the
copyright to the CC
BY-SA content and not the person in possession of the
device. My take is that
it will cost them for this content. (Legally of course.)
So, if someone gave me such a device as a gift, I would find
myself needing to
pay someone else to hear/see, my own copyrighted works using
this device.
I am not happy with that situation. I would like to see that
blocked if
possible. (I hope I am not too much under the weather to
have made major
mistakes in this explanation.)
>
> thank you again for your time. Your answers help me a
lot to make up my
> mind.
>
> Joerg Zastrau
all the best,
drew
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