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Broadcast (Text version,hopefully)
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2006-11-20 21:41:49
theprojekt.co.uk is a

relatively new initiative set up to develop the skills of
young
Scottish film-makers and musicians.
We publish our members' work on our
website for review and comment - all of this material is CC
licensed
(Attribution-Non-Commercial-Share-alike as standard,
Attribution-Non-Commercial- No-Derivs when members use
copyrighted
material from our bank of pre-approved copyrighted
materials, or as
inherited)
We've decided to use ccMixter as a training resource for our
members.
During our initial research, I was so impressed with some of
the mixes
on the site, I sent links to friends so they could enjoy and
check out
the site also. Their responses were predictably positive.
Several of my friends work in local broadcast radio
(commercial) - is
there any mechanism that allows them to pick up on certain
cc licensed
mixes/remixes 
and promote them (and ccMixter) to a wider audience? Do the
fees they
pay to e.g. the performing rights society in the UK, cover
them to
play CC-licensed material, or if the cc license is
non-commercial do
they have to approach each individual artist (and previous
contributors
in the case of a remix/mashup etc) in each individual case
to negotiate
clearance/fees etc?
Grateful for your help and clarification

 

Pete Rabjohns

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Broadcast (Text version,hopefully)
user name
2006-11-20 22:32:40
On Monday 20 November 2006 04:41 pm, Pete Rabjohns wrote:
> theprojekt.co.uk is a
>
> relatively new initiative set up to develop the skills
of young
> Scottish film-makers and musicians.
> We publish our members' work on our
> website for review and comment - all of this material
is CC licensed
> (Attribution-Non-Commercial-Share-alike as standard,
> Attribution-Non-Commercial- No-Derivs when members use
copyrighted
> material from our bank of pre-approved copyrighted
materials, or as
> inherited)
> We've decided to use ccMixter as a training resource
for our members.
> During our initial research, I was so impressed with
some of the mixes
> on the site, I sent links to friends so they could
enjoy and check out
> the site also. Their responses were predictably
positive.
> Several of my friends work in local broadcast radio
(commercial) - is
> there any mechanism that allows them to pick up on
certain cc licensed
> mixes/remixes
> and promote them (and ccMixter) to a wider audience? Do
the fees they
> pay to e.g. the performing rights society in the UK,
cover them to
> play CC-licensed material, or if the cc license is
non-commercial do
> they have to approach each individual artist (and
previous contributors
> in the case of a remix/mashup etc) in each individual
case to negotiate
> clearance/fees etc?
> Grateful for your help and clarification

I find this topic interesting. I was thinking along similar
lines for works 
licensed CC BY-SA. My thought was to find a way for the
person using the 
license to choose whether to simply pay as if the work was
all rights 
reserved if that was simpler for them book keeping wise or
to claim the CC 
BY-SA use and provide "accounting stats" to the
collection society.

I think this would need to cooperation of the various
societies and the 
artists would have to join their appropriate society.


>
>
> Pete Rabjohns
>

all the best,

drew
-- 
(da idea man)
National Novel Writing Month
http://www.nanowri
mo.org/index.php
562,263,167 words and counting.
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Broadcast (Text version,hopefully)
user name
2006-11-21 02:35:35
the issue of the interaction of CC licenses and collecting
society  
membership is complex (http://wiki.creative
commons.org/ 
FAQ#I_am_a_member_of_a_collecting_society. 
2C_can_I_use_Creative_Commons_licenses.3F).  as a general
rule, a  
person who is a member of a UK collecting society cannot
legally  
apply a CC license to their work because they grant an
exclusive  
license/assignment to the society for public
performance/online  
transmissions.  UK collecting societies have also been very
critical  
of CC licenses, see e.g., http://www.
apra.com.au/writers/downloads/ 
creative_commons.pdf and http://www.b
mr.org/html/news/news55.htm.

thus, the fees paid to UK collecting societies should not
cover the  
use of CC licensed music (although you could ask but i would
be very  
surprised).  if the music they are playing is not authorized
for  
their use - ie. they are a commercial entity making a
commercial use  
and the music is NC licensed - then they should figure out
separate  
arrangements with the individual artists to compensate them
because  
commercial use of NC licensed is infringing.

On Nov 20, 2006, at 2:32 PM, drew Roberts wrote:

> On Monday 20 November 2006 04:41 pm, Pete Rabjohns
wrote:
>> theprojekt.co.uk is a
>>
>> relatively new initiative set up to develop the
skills of young
>> Scottish film-makers and musicians.
>> We publish our members' work on our
>> website for review and comment - all of this
material is CC licensed
>> (Attribution-Non-Commercial-Share-alike as
standard,
>> Attribution-Non-Commercial- No-Derivs when members
use copyrighted
>> material from our bank of pre-approved copyrighted
materials, or as
>> inherited)
>> We've decided to use ccMixter as a training
resource for our members.
>> During our initial research, I was so impressed
with some of the  
>> mixes
>> on the site, I sent links to friends so they could
enjoy and check  
>> out
>> the site also. Their responses were predictably
positive.
>> Several of my friends work in local broadcast radio
(commercial) - is
>> there any mechanism that allows them to pick up on
certain cc  
>> licensed
>> mixes/remixes
>> and promote them (and ccMixter) to a wider
audience? Do the fees they
>> pay to e.g. the performing rights society in the
UK, cover them to
>> play CC-licensed material, or if the cc license is
non-commercial do
>> they have to approach each individual artist (and
previous  
>> contributors
>> in the case of a remix/mashup etc) in each
individual case to  
>> negotiate
>> clearance/fees etc?
>> Grateful for your help and clarification
>
> I find this topic interesting. I was thinking along
similar lines  
> for works
> licensed CC BY-SA. My thought was to find a way for the
person  
> using the
> license to choose whether to simply pay as if the work
was all rights
> reserved if that was simpler for them book keeping wise
or to claim  
> the CC
> BY-SA use and provide "accounting stats" to
the collection society.
>
> I think this would need to cooperation of the various
societies and  
> the
> artists would have to join their appropriate society.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Pete Rabjohns
>>
>
> all the best,
>
> drew
> -- 
> (da idea man)
> National Novel Writing Month
> http://www.nanowri
mo.org/index.php
> 562,263,167 words and counting.
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