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Re: just share alike
country flaguser name
United States
2007-04-25 20:55:31
Thanks for the info.  Regarding my not wanting to require
the stating of the 
license, my reasoning was that since we are to assume that
any work we find 
could very well have all the rights reserved, I wouldn't
really be 
restricting anyone by not requiring the information of the
license. If they 
did not know the license of the artwork, they should assume
that the rights 
are all reserved and should believe that with regard to the
law they should 
not be copying it in the first place, let alone restricting
the copies or 
modifications of their copy.  So wouldn't it be up to the
copier to either 
try to find out the license somehow or assume that all
rights are reserved 
if they can't or don't want to find out the license - in the
case where 
there is not a license stated along with the artwork? (All
the above is 
referring to having only the share alike restriction with no
other 
restrictions present)

Thanks, Matt

>From: "Greg bond" <gregbond.1gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Discussion on the Creative Commons license
drafts 
><cc-licenseslists.ibiblio.org>
>To: "Discussion on the Creative Commons license
drafts" 
><cc-licenseslists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] just share alike
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:01:52 -0400
>
>On 4/25/07, matt draghi <mattdraghihotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know if there is a license for share
alike, not requiring
>>attribution?
>
>
>You can use ShareAlike. And then simply not provide any
attribution
>information.
>see paragraph 4.c of this:
>http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode
>
>I'm unclear how on exactly how you would provide your
information
>without making it a requirement. i.e. provide it but
specify it is 
>optional.
>
>
>
>
>>I  have some artwork I want to license as such, and
don't want people to
>>be
>>forced to say I made it if they copy or modify a
copy.
>
>
>If you don't provide info, they don't have to attribute
it.
>How you provide your info, but waive the attribution
requirement, I'm not
>sure.
>Just add your own disclaimer on your website, maybe.
>
>
>>I am not even sure I want to force them to say what
kind of license it
>>has.
>
>
>well, they would have to, or no one else would know its
share alike
>and know they can't add more restrictions to the work.
>
>
>
>>I do however want to restrict people from
restricting the copying or
>>modifying of their copies or modified copies.
>
>
>yep. that would be sharealike.
>
>
>
>>I have been trying to find such a license and could
not find one at
>>creative
>>commons. The closest one I found was a GPL kind,
that was primarily
>>written
>>for software, but I think also could appy to
anything considered a "work".
>>That one still required stating the license though.
Is there any problem
>>with taking an existing license, removing the title
and changing some of
>>the
>>words to make it more like what I want? Incase any
of this sounds
>>uninformed
>>it is because I have just begun researching this.
>
>
>You can modify a license, you just have to give it a
different name.
>You can't make displaying the license optional though,
since downstream
>users wouldn't know that the work is ShareAlike and
can't have other
>restrictions added.


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Re: just share alike
country flaguser name
Bahamas
2007-04-26 07:00:42
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:55 pm, matt draghi wrote:
> Thanks for the info.  Regarding my not wanting to
require the stating of
> the license, my reasoning was that since we are to
assume that any work we
> find could very well have all the rights reserved, I
wouldn't really be
> restricting anyone by not requiring the information of
the license. If they
> did not know the license of the artwork, they should
assume that the rights
> are all reserved and should believe that with regard to
the law they should
> not be copying it in the first place, let alone
restricting the copies or
> modifications of their copy.  So wouldn't it be up to
the copier to either
> try to find out the license somehow or assume that all
rights are reserved
> if they can't or don't want to find out the license -
in the case where
> there is not a license stated along with the artwork?
(All the above is
> referring to having only the share alike restriction
with no other
> restrictions present)

There is a guy named Crosbie Fitch over at Digital
Productions:

http://www.digit
alproductions.co.uk/

He is trying to come up with a Concise Copyleft:

h
ttp://www.digitalproductions.co.uk/index.php?id=54

So far he has come up with:

"You are free to take any liberties you wish with my
published work, with but 
one constraint: The liberties you take may not be withheld
from those to whom 
you give my work (or your combined/derivative work), who you
must similarly 
constrain."

Would such language work as safe legal language. (Safe for
both side of the 
deal. - This question for anyone naturally.)

Would something like that work for you?
>
> Thanks, Matt

all the best,

drew

>
> >From: "Greg bond" <gregbond.1gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Discussion on the Creative Commons
license drafts
> ><cc-licenseslists.ibiblio.org>
> >To: "Discussion on the Creative Commons
license drafts"
> ><cc-licenseslists.ibiblio.org>
> >Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] just share alike
> >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:01:52 -0400
> >
> >On 4/25/07, matt draghi <mattdraghihotmail.com> wrote:
> >>Does anyone know if there is a license for
share alike, not requiring
> >>attribution?
> >
> >You can use ShareAlike. And then simply not provide
any attribution
> >information.
> >see paragraph 4.c of this:
> >http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode
> >
> >I'm unclear how on exactly how you would provide
your information
> >without making it a requirement. i.e. provide it
but specify it is
> >optional.
> >
> >>I  have some artwork I want to license as such,
and don't want people to
> >>be
> >>forced to say I made it if they copy or modify
a copy.
> >
> >If you don't provide info, they don't have to
attribute it.
> >How you provide your info, but waive the
attribution requirement, I'm not
> >sure.
> >Just add your own disclaimer on your website,
maybe.
> >
> >>I am not even sure I want to force them to say
what kind of license it
> >>has.
> >
> >well, they would have to, or no one else would know
its share alike
> >and know they can't add more restrictions to the
work.
> >
> >>I do however want to restrict people from
restricting the copying or
> >>modifying of their copies or modified copies.
> >
> >yep. that would be sharealike.
> >
> >>I have been trying to find such a license and
could not find one at
> >>creative
> >>commons. The closest one I found was a GPL
kind, that was primarily
> >>written
> >>for software, but I think also could appy to
anything considered a
> >> "work". That one still required
stating the license though. Is there any
> >> problem with taking an existing license,
removing the title and changing
> >> some of the
> >>words to make it more like what I want? Incase
any of this sounds
> >>uninformed
> >>it is because I have just begun researching
this.
> >
> >You can modify a license, you just have to give it
a different name.
> >You can't make displaying the license optional
though, since downstream
> >users wouldn't know that the work is ShareAlike and
can't have other
> >restrictions added.
> >
> >
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>
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Re: just share alike
user name
2007-05-14 19:10:44
Sorry to jump in so late, but I noticed that no one had
addressed this comment.

It is true that not requiring copiers to display or link to
the CC
license under which your work is available is legally quite
similar to
the status quo.

But it is precisely this status quo that Creative Commons
licensing
hopes to avoid.  The confusing maze of rights clearance is
a
significant barrier to distribution and reuse of creativity.
 By
clearly pointing users to a rights holder and to a
permission-granted
license, CC licensors help hack away at the copyright mess.

To me this is the beauty of CC licensing, and I hope you
will think
carefully before discarding this deeply important piece of
the
commons.

All the best,
Dana

On 4/25/07, matt draghi <mattdraghihotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info.  Regarding my not wanting to
require the stating of the
> license, my reasoning was that since we are to assume
that any work we find
> could very well have all the rights reserved, I
wouldn't really be
> restricting anyone by not requiring the information of
the license. If they
> did not know the license of the artwork, they should
assume that the rights
> are all reserved and should believe that with regard to
the law they should
> not be copying it in the first place, let alone
restricting the copies or
> modifications of their copy.  So wouldn't it be up to
the copier to either
> try to find out the license somehow or assume that all
rights are reserved
> if they can't or don't want to find out the license -
in the case where
> there is not a license stated along with the artwork?
(All the above is
> referring to having only the share alike restriction
with no other
> restrictions present)
>
> Thanks, Matt
>
> >From: "Greg bond" <gregbond.1gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Discussion on the Creative Commons
license drafts
> ><cc-licenseslists.ibiblio.org>
> >To: "Discussion on the Creative Commons
license drafts"
> ><cc-licenseslists.ibiblio.org>
> >Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] just share alike
> >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:01:52 -0400
> >
> >On 4/25/07, matt draghi <mattdraghihotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Does anyone know if there is a license for
share alike, not requiring
> >>attribution?
> >
> >
> >You can use ShareAlike. And then simply not provide
any attribution
> >information.
> >see paragraph 4.c of this:
> >http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode
> >
> >I'm unclear how on exactly how you would provide
your information
> >without making it a requirement. i.e. provide it
but specify it is
> >optional.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I  have some artwork I want to license as such,
and don't want people to
> >>be
> >>forced to say I made it if they copy or modify
a copy.
> >
> >
> >If you don't provide info, they don't have to
attribute it.
> >How you provide your info, but waive the
attribution requirement, I'm not
> >sure.
> >Just add your own disclaimer on your website,
maybe.
> >
> >
> >>I am not even sure I want to force them to say
what kind of license it
> >>has.
> >
> >
> >well, they would have to, or no one else would know
its share alike
> >and know they can't add more restrictions to the
work.
> >
> >
> >
> >>I do however want to restrict people from
restricting the copying or
> >>modifying of their copies or modified copies.
> >
> >
> >yep. that would be sharealike.
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have been trying to find such a license and
could not find one at
> >>creative
> >>commons. The closest one I found was a GPL
kind, that was primarily
> >>written
> >>for software, but I think also could appy to
anything considered a "work".
> >>That one still required stating the license
though. Is there any problem
> >>with taking an existing license, removing the
title and changing some of
> >>the
> >>words to make it more like what I want? Incase
any of this sounds
> >>uninformed
> >>it is because I have just begun researching
this.
> >
> >
> >You can modify a license, you just have to give it
a different name.
> >You can't make displaying the license optional
though, since downstream
> >users wouldn't know that the work is ShareAlike and
can't have other
> >restrictions added.
>
>
> >_______________________________________________
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> >cc-licenseslists.ibiblio.org
> >http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-licenses
>
>
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