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more reports of terrorist steganography
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2007-08-20 09:59:50
http://www.esecurityplanet.com/prevention/article.p
hp/3694711

I'd sure like technical details...


		--Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbi
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Re: more reports of terrorist steganography
country flaguser name
United States
2007-08-20 12:22:38
That's a pretty in-credible report.

Emphasis on "in-".

It's disturbing to see "Security Researchers" so
willing to trade on  
rumors in order to be quoted in the press.

The conclusion is pretty confusing.

>  Conclusion
> Internet-based attacks are extremely popular with
terrorist  
> organizations because they are relatively cheap to
perform, offer a  
> high degree of anonymity, and can be tremendously
effective.

Perhaps author Jeffrey Carr should stick to coverage of
'semantic and  
geospatial intelligence applications'.

I'd sure like credible details...



On Aug 20, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

> http://www.esecurityplanet.com/prevention/article.p
hp/3694711
>
> I'd sure like technical details...
>
>
> 		--Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbi
a.edu/~smb
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RE: more reports of terrorist steganography
country flaguser name
United Kingdom
2007-08-20 12:32:46
On 20 August 2007 16:00, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

> http://www.esecurityplanet.com/prevention/article.p
hp/3694711
> 
> I'd sure like technical details...


  Well, how about 'it can't possibly work [well]'?

 " [ ... ] The article provides a detailed example of
how 20 messages can be
hidden in a 100 x 50 pixel picture [ ... ] "

  That's gotta stand out like a statistical sore thumb.


  The article is pretty poor if you ask me.  It outlines
three techniques for
stealth: steganography, using a shared email account as a
dead-letter box, and
blocking or redirecting known IP addresses from a mail
server.  Then all of a
sudden, there's this conclusion ...

" Internet-based attacks are extremely popular with
terrorist organizations
because they are relatively cheap to perform, offer a high
degree of
anonymity, and can be tremendously effective. "

... that comes completely out of left-field and has nothing
to do with
anything the rest of the article mentioned.  I would
conclude that someone's
done ten minutes worth of web searching and dressed up a
bunch of
long-established facts as 'research', then slapped a
"The sky is falling!
Hay-ulp, hay-ulp" security dramaqueen ending on it and
will now be busily
pitching for government grants or contracts of some sort.



  So as far as "technical details", I'd say you
take half-a-pound of security
theater, stir in a bucket or two of self-publicity, season
with a couple of
megabucks of goverment pork, and hey presto!  Tasty
terror-spam!

  BTW, I can't help but wonder if "Secrets of the
Mujahideen" refuses to allow
you to use representational images for stego?  

  (BTW2, does anyone have a download URL for it?  The
description makes it
sound just like every other bit of crypto snakeoil; it might
be fun to reverse
engineer.)

    cheers,
      DaveK
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Re: more reports of terrorist steganography
country flaguser name
United States
2007-08-20 13:42:47
Dave Korn wrote:

> 
>   That's gotta stand out like a statistical sore
thumb.
> 
> 
>   The article is pretty poor if you ask me.  It
outlines three techniques for
> stealth: steganography, using a shared email account as
a dead-letter box, and
> blocking or redirecting known IP addresses from a mail
server.  Then all of a
> sudden, there's this conclusion ...
> 
> " Internet-based attacks are extremely popular
with terrorist organizations
> because they are relatively cheap to perform, offer a
high degree of
> anonymity, and can be tremendously effective. "
> 
> ... that comes completely out of left-field and has
nothing to do with
> anything the rest of the article mentioned.  I would
conclude that someone's
> done ten minutes worth of web searching and dressed up
a bunch of
> long-established facts as 'research', then slapped a
"The sky is falling!
> Hay-ulp, hay-ulp" security dramaqueen ending on it
and will now be busily
> pitching for government grants or contracts of some
sort.

This struck me oddly as well. I cannot think of a single
significant
Internet attack which has been traced to any terrorist
organizations. I
would agree that this article seems to be designed to alarm
rather than
inform, and, no doubt, pick up a government contract.

Additionally, the author seems to make a big deal about
asymmetric
encryption without considering how key exchange is
accomplished. The
logistics of key exchange remains one of the vulnerabilities
any
asymmetric encryption system.


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