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Thread: Re: Hushmail in U.S. v. Tyler Stumbo




Re: Hushmail in U.S. v. Tyler Stumbo
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2007-11-02 13:46:59
Jon Callas wrote:
> 
> On Nov 1, 2007, at 10:49 AM, John Levine wrote:
> 
>>> Since email between hushmail accounts is
generally PGPed.  (That is
>>> the point, right?)
>>
>> Hushmail is actually kind of a scam.  In its normal
configuration,
>> it's in effect just webmail with an HTTPS
connection and a long
>> password.  It will generate and verify PGP
signatures and encryption
>> for mail it sends and receives, but they generate
and maintain their
>> users' PGP keys.
>>
>> There's a Java applet that's supposed to do end to
end encryption, but
>> since it's with the same key that Hushmail knows,
what's the point?
>>
> 
> I'm sorry, but that's a slur. Hushmail is not a scam.
They do a very 
> good job of explaining what they do, what they cannot
do, and against 
> which threats they protect. You may quibble all you
want with its 
> *effectiveness* but they are not a scam. A scam is
being dishonest.
> 
> You also mischaracterize the Hushmail system. The
"classic" Hushmail 
> does not generate the keys, and while it holds them,
they're encrypted. 
> The secrets Hushmail holds are as secure as the end
user's operational 
> security.

Seconded. the java applet is effectively a mail client, a
copy of gpg, 
and a copy of the secret keyring; the public keys are looked
up on the 
server though, and I suspect/assume that the messages are no
more or 
less secure at the hushmail side than your own pgp mail
would be on a 
isp imap server (i.e., you could get traffic information
trivially just 
by looking, but message content would require being lucky
with the 
keyphrase or active co-operation from hushmail to give you a
"gimmicked" 
client the next time you log in that reveals that
information.

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