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global sieve rules (for all users)
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Russian Federation
2007-07-30 06:04:11
Hello,

Can I make global sieve script which will be work for all
messages of all users?
(in any case table dbmail_sievescripts contain owner_idnr
which points to script "owner", I need ignore
field owner_idnr and use one sieve script for all users).

And more...
I want disallow modifying sieve scripts from user side. How
I can do this?
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Re: global sieve rules (for all users)
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Russian Federation
2007-07-30 06:17:53
hi list, umask

umask wrote:
> Can I make global sieve script which will be work for
all messages of all users?
> (in any case table dbmail_sievescripts contain
owner_idnr which points to script "owner", I need
ignore field owner_idnr and use one sieve script for all
users).
in general - no. but you can try use DB's tools.
> I want disallow modifying sieve scripts from user side.
How I can do this?
don't start timsieved, I think=)
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Re: global sieve rules (for all users)
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Portugal
2007-07-30 08:18:56
In 2.3x series is going to apear a global sieve script
option.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "umask" <umaskyandex.ru>
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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: [Dbmail] global sieve rules (for all users)


> Hello,
>
> Can I make global sieve script which will be work for
all messages of all 
> users?
> (in any case table dbmail_sievescripts contain
owner_idnr which points to 
> script "owner", I need ignore field
owner_idnr and use one sieve script 
> for all users).
>
> And more...
> I want disallow modifying sieve scripts from user side.
How I can do this?
> _______________________________________________
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> DBmaildbmail.org
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ps://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail
> 

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Re: global sieve rules (for all users)
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United States
2007-07-30 11:29:07
On Mon, Jul 30, 2007, Jorge Bastos <mysql.jorgedecimal.pt> said:

> In 2.3x series is going to apear a global sieve script
option.

Confirmed, it is on my todo list.


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "umask" <umaskyandex.ru>
> To: <dbmaildbmail.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:04 PM
> Subject: [Dbmail] global sieve rules (for all users)
> 
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> Can I make global sieve script which will be work
for all messages of all 
>> users?
>> (in any case table dbmail_sievescripts contain
owner_idnr which points to 
>> script "owner", I need ignore field
owner_idnr and use one sieve script 
>> for all users).
>>
>> And more...
>> I want disallow modifying sieve scripts from user
side. How I can do this?

We don't currently have any permission bits on the sieve
scripts. Could
you give a few use cases? It might make sense to add this in
2.3.

Aaron
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Re: global sieve rules (for all users)
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Russian Federation
2007-07-30 11:49:20

30.07.07, 20:29, Aaron Stone <aaronserendipity.cx>:

> >> And more...
> >> I want disallow modifying sieve scripts from
user side. How I can do this?
> We don't currently have any permission bits on the
sieve scripts. Could
> you give a few use cases? It might make sense to add
this in 2.3.
> Aaron

I think that client (via IMAP) can make changes in sieve
scripts for filtering his mails (but I seen RFC and
understood that IMAP don't provide it).

May be Alexander Benaguev have examples of use cases.

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Re: global sieve rules (for all users)
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Russian Federation
2007-07-30 12:35:28
umask wrote:
> May be Alexander Benaguev have examples of use cases.
I don't  have examples, just logic: users can manage they
scripts by 
connecting to timsieved (it's part of dbmail), or they can
do this from 
shell by dbmail-sievecmd. 'cose second case is unlikely, you
should 
shutdown timsieved;)

alexander
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Re: global sieve rules (for all users)
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2007-07-30 13:05:13
dbmail-sievecmd should be superuser only not?

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Re: global sieve rules (for all users)
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Portugal
2007-07-30 14:27:20
Are you saying to manage the scripts direcly from a client
menu, like the 
plugin that thunderbird has?
I was about to write a addon for MSOutlook to manage sieve
in .NET, but my 
time just got away.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "umask" <umaskyandex.ru>
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Subject: Re: [Dbmail] global sieve rules (for all users)


>
>
> 30.07.07, 20:29, Aaron Stone <aaronserendipity.cx>:
>
>> >> And more...
>> >> I want disallow modifying sieve scripts
from user side. How I can do 
>> >> this?
>> We don't currently have any permission bits on the
sieve scripts. Could
>> you give a few use cases? It might make sense to
add this in 2.3.
>> Aaron
>
> I think that client (via IMAP) can make changes in
sieve scripts for 
> filtering his mails (but I seen RFC and understood that
IMAP don't provide 
> it).
>
> May be Alexander Benaguev have examples of use cases.
>
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Re: global sieve rules (for all users)
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2007-07-31 02:05:25


On 7/31/07, Aaron Stone < aaronserendipity.cx">aaronserendipity.cx> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 30, 2007, alexander benaguev < zulsigmatrans.ru">zulsigmatrans.ru> said:

>; umask wrote:
>;> May be Alexander Benaguev have examples of use cases.
>; I don't&nbsp; have examples, just logic: users can manage they scripts by
> connecting to timsieved (it's part of dbmail), or they can do this from
> shell by dbmail-sievecmd. 'cose second case is unlikely, you should
>; shutdown timsieved;)

Users should NEVER have access to dbmail-* commands. ALL of the commands
potentially give access to ALL user data. They are designed to be run on
closed servers where none of the users have shell access, or have limited
shell access. That's why they're in /usr/sbin!

You might write some wrappers around the commands and allow them to be
called from management scripts, but be damned sure to check that you have
a -u option, that the value is of the user issuing the command, and that
you escape the arguments fully (as with all shell commands).

As for sieve script permissions, there might be some interesting use cases
for restricting user access to edit scripts, and I think it might fit in
nicely with ideas for system scripts, group/client scripts, system-owned
user scripts, etc. Let's work out some of the ideas on a wiki page:
http://dbmail.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=sieve

Aaron
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It makes sense that global sieve rules have top priority over user-defined rules.

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Re: global sieve rules (for all users)
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Austria
2007-07-31 03:33:33
On Dienstag, 31. Juli 2007 zamri wrote:
> It makes sense that global sieve rules have top
priority over
> user-defined rules.

But it could also be defined that the global rules act as a
default 
which can be overruled by user rules. It depends on the site
policy (or 
better: per domain policy).

mfg zmi
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