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Traceability of message delivery
country flaguser name
Sri Lanka
2007-10-16 08:32:27
Dear Paul/Aaron,

Hope this has not been already queried and answered.

Is there a way to trace the delivery of a message in logs,
once it is
transfered from an MTA to DBMail (MDA) and to the point
where it is
extracted (by pop) or viewed (by imap).

I know that now in version 2.2.x, DBMail is adding a header
(X-DBMail-PhysMessage-ID) to the e-mail with an ID number.
Can this be
extended to support what I am asking.

Or Is this going to be a new feature altogether ?

Thanks in advance.

Lasantha.
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Re: Traceability of message delivery
country flaguser name
Netherlands
2007-10-16 08:46:46
Lasantha Marian wrote:
> Dear Paul/Aaron,
> 
> Hope this has not been already queried and answered.
> 
> Is there a way to trace the delivery of a message in
logs, once it is
> transfered from an MTA to DBMail (MDA) and to the point
where it is
> extracted (by pop) or viewed (by imap).

insertion is logged at trace level 3 and above.
retrieval by pop will update the status field of a message
(0->1)
viewing in imap will update the seen_flag field of a message
(0->1) unless the
mailbox is read-only, or opened read-only.

> 
> I know that now in version 2.2.x, DBMail is adding a
header
> (X-DBMail-PhysMessage-ID) to the e-mail with an ID
number. Can this be
> extended to support what I am asking.

That header is no longer added since it messes with the
message size *after*
insertion, and it didn't really add value.

> Or Is this going to be a new feature altogether ?

There are some plans to make the logging more compact and
amenable to parsing.
(thing apache's access logs). But nothing has been done
about that yet. Feel
free to sponsor us or buy commercial support if you need
this.

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Re: Traceability of message delivery
country flaguser name
Sri Lanka
2007-10-16 09:27:14
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insertion is logged at trace level 3 and above.
retrieval by pop will update the status field of a message (0->1)

viewing in imap will update the seen_flag field of a message (0->1) unless the
mailbox is read-only, or opened read-only.
  
But how can one maintain the continuous traceability between all these activities. I am thinking of a scenario where a unique ID (eg: AAAAAA-AA-NNNNNN) being given to every message instance inserted and then same is referred during retrieval and/or viewing. During the insertion, special care should be given to log the link between MTA's message ID to DBMail's (MDA) ID's.

Is this possible ?
nfg.nl" type="cite">
There are some plans to make the logging more compact and amenable to parsing.
(thing apache's access logs). But nothing has been done about that yet. Feel
free to sponsor us or buy commercial support if you need this.
  
If commercial support is opted what are the details ? What/where are the sponsorship options available for us to consider ?
Re: Traceability of message delivery
country flaguser name
Netherlands
2007-10-16 09:49:17
Lasantha Marian wrote:
>>
>> insertion is logged at trace level 3 and above.
>> retrieval by pop will update the status field of a
message (0->1)
>> viewing in imap will update the seen_flag field of
a message (0->1) unless the
>> mailbox is read-only, or opened read-only.
>>   
> But how can one maintain the continuous traceability
between all these
> activities. I am thinking of a scenario where a unique
ID (eg:
> AAAAAA-AA-NNNNNN) being given to every message instance
inserted and
> then same is referred during retrieval and/or viewing.
During the
> insertion, special care should be given to log the link
between MTA's
> message ID to DBMail's (MDA) ID's.

Would you really want to keep track of all messages being
viewed? That's
currently not possible using just the logs. But making that
an optional logging
feature is not very complex.

Maintaining tracebility between the MTA and dbmail-lmtpd's
insertion can most
likely be done by making the message_idnr part of the LMTP
response, much like
the queue-id of a receiving MTA is part of the reponse when
mail is relayed.

> If commercial support is opted what are the details ?
What/where are the
> sponsorship options available for us to consider ?

For more details concerning commercial support, please visit
http://dbmail.eu


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Re: Traceability of message delivery
country flaguser name
Sri Lanka
2007-10-16 10:23:43

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Would you really want to keep track of all messages being viewed? That's
currently not possible using just the logs. But making that an optional logging
feature is not very complex.
  
Yes this is the case. It would give the administrators the capability to give kind of a legitimate assurance of delivery of individual messages, I think. Even better, it would enable logging of delivery difficulties based on individual e-mail box conditions and forwards.
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Maintaining tracebility between the MTA and dbmail-lmtpd's insertion can most
likely be done by making the message_idnr part of the LMTP response, much like
the queue-id of a receiving MTA is part of the reponse when mail is relayed.
  
I am thinking of trying this out.
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For more details concerning commercial support, please visit http://dbmail.eu

  
I think DNS for dbmail.eu does not exist, but www.dbmail.eu works. Let us consider all options against our requirement.

Lasantha.
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