dbmail upgrade and dbmail_sieve vs libsieve

Hello,

I am not quite clear with all this:
My current version is dbmail  2.0.9-1 stable deb pkg

I have filters in table dbmail_filters defined and they work
fine.
My guess is dbmail handles that without sieve?!?

I have libsieve1 2.1.10-1 installed but not configured.

I am considering to upgrade to dbmail version 2.16 (deb pkg
unstable)
and installing dbmail_sieve.

Now:
Is dbmail_sieve using the dbmail db or does it create sieve
folders to
tmp store email?
What is your suggestion advantages / disadvantages?

Is it safer to stay with dbmail in the stable version? I am
worried
about upgrading so many dependencies to unstable. (See
dependants list
below)

When I do install dbmail 2.16 it removes dbmail2-mysql
first.
So would this work:
1) backup dbmail mysql database
2) backup /etc/dbmail/
3) Install via "apt-get -t unstable install dbmail
dbmail-mysql dbmail-sieve"
4) restore dbmail mysql backup (Same strucure right)
5) restore /etc/dbmail/ (Do we have new config options?)

I know this was a a lot at once so thank you very much
Demi


/# apt-get -t unstable install dbmail dbmail-mysql
dbmail-sieve
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libatk1.0-0 libcairo2 libfreetype6 libglib2.0-0
libgmime2.1
libgtk2.0-common libmysqlclient15off libpango1.0-0
  libpango1.0-common mysql-common
Suggested packages:
  stunnel dbmail-ldap exim4 mail-transport-agent
libfreetype6-dev
ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho
  ttf-thryomanes ttf-baekmuk ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp
ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp
ttf-arphic-gkai00mp ttf-arphic-bkai00mp
Recommended packages:
  libatk1.0-data libglib2.0-data x-ttcidfont-conf
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  dbmail2-mysql
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  dbmail dbmail-mysql dbmail-sieve libcairo2 libgmime2.1
libmysqlclient15off
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libatk1.0-0 libfreetype6 libglib2.0-0 libgtk2.0-common
libpango1.0-0
libpango1.0-common mysql-common
7 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 1 to remove and 437 not
upgraded.
Need to get 7179kB of archives.
After unpacking 6622kB of additional disk space will be
used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
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DK wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am not quite clear with all this:
> My current version is dbmail  2.0.9-1 stable deb pkg

that would be dbmail2-mysql then.

> 
> I have filters in table dbmail_filters defined and they
work fine.
> My guess is dbmail handles that without sieve?!?

Yes. But only in the dbmail2 packages for 2.0.x.

> 
> I have libsieve1 2.1.10-1 installed but not configured.

You're not using it anyways.

> 
> I am considering to upgrade to dbmail version 2.16 (deb
pkg unstable)
> and installing dbmail_sieve.

That works great, but those packages do *not* include the
filters patch:
you'll have to port the entries in the filters table to
sieve scripts.

> 
> Now:
> Is dbmail_sieve using the dbmail db or does it create
sieve folders to
> tmp store email?

It uses the dbmail_sievescripts table.

> What is your suggestion advantages / disadvantages?
> 
> Is it safer to stay with dbmail in the stable version?
I am worried
> about upgrading so many dependencies to unstable. (See
dependants list
> below)

That depends on what other services you're using that
system. The list
below looks pretty clean to me.

> When I do install dbmail 2.16 it removes dbmail2-mysql
first.
> So would this work:
> 1) backup dbmail mysql database
> 2) backup /etc/dbmail/

always a very good idea.

2a) stop your MTA (postfix?) to prevent mail from bouncing.

> 3) Install via "apt-get -t unstable install
dbmail dbmail-mysql
> dbmail-sieve"

4) run the migrate_2.0_to_2.1 script in
/usr/share/doc/dbmail-mysql/examples

5) run 'dbmail-util -ay' to prime the header caches.
6) edit /etc/defaults/dbmail to select the services you want
to run
7) check proper delivery: cat message.txt|dbmail-smtp -u
username -m folder
8) /etc/init.d/dbmail restart
9) test availability of imap and/or pop3
10) restart your MTA and keep an eye on mail.log.
11) done.

> 4) restore dbmail mysql backup (Same strucure right)

NO! Dbmail does not require dump/reload.

> 5) restore /etc/dbmail/ (Do we have new config
options?)

NO! Allow dpkg to install the maintainers version of
dbmail.conf, and
afterwards check the settings (trace levels,
min_spare_children,
max_spare_children, etc...)

> 
> I know this was a a lot at once so thank you very much
> Demi
> 
> 
> /# apt-get -t unstable install dbmail dbmail-mysql
dbmail-sieve
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>  libatk1.0-0 libcairo2 libfreetype6 libglib2.0-0
libgmime2.1
> libgtk2.0-common libmysqlclient15off libpango1.0-0
>  libpango1.0-common mysql-common
> Suggested packages:
>  stunnel dbmail-ldap exim4 mail-transport-agent
libfreetype6-dev
> ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho
>  ttf-thryomanes ttf-baekmuk ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp
ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp
> ttf-arphic-gkai00mp ttf-arphic-bkai00mp
> Recommended packages:
>  libatk1.0-data libglib2.0-data x-ttcidfont-conf
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>  dbmail2-mysql
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>  dbmail dbmail-mysql dbmail-sieve libcairo2 libgmime2.1
libmysqlclient15off
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>  libatk1.0-0 libfreetype6 libglib2.0-0 libgtk2.0-common
libpango1.0-0
> libpango1.0-common mysql-common
> 7 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 1 to remove and 437 not
upgraded.
> Need to get 7179kB of archives.
> After unpacking 6622kB of additional disk space will be
used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
> _______________________________________________
> Dbmail mailing list
> Dbmaildbmail.org
> htt
ps://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail
> 

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On 6/13/06, Paul J Stevens <paulnfg.nl> wrote:
>
>
> DK wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am not quite clear with all this:
> > My current version is dbmail  2.0.9-1 stable deb
pkg
>
> that would be dbmail2-mysql then.
>
> >
> > I have filters in table dbmail_filters defined and
they work fine.
> > My guess is dbmail handles that without sieve?!?
>
> Yes. But only in the dbmail2 packages for 2.0.x.
>
> >
> > I have libsieve1 2.1.10-1 installed but not
configured.
>
> You're not using it anyways.
>
> >
> > I am considering to upgrade to dbmail version 2.16
(deb pkg unstable)
> > and installing dbmail_sieve.
>
> That works great, but those packages do *not* include
the filters patch:
> you'll have to port the entries in the filters table
to sieve scripts.
>
> >
> > Now:
> > Is dbmail_sieve using the dbmail db or does it
create sieve folders to
> > tmp store email?
>
> It uses the dbmail_sievescripts table.
>
> > What is your suggestion advantages /
disadvantages?
> >
> > Is it safer to stay with dbmail in the stable
version? I am worried
> > about upgrading so many dependencies to unstable.
(See dependants list
> > below)
>
> That depends on what other services you're using that
system. The list
> below looks pretty clean to me.
>
> > When I do install dbmail 2.16 it removes
dbmail2-mysql first.
> > So would this work:
> > 1) backup dbmail mysql database
> > 2) backup /etc/dbmail/
>
> always a very good idea.
>
> 2a) stop your MTA (postfix?) to prevent mail from
bouncing.
>
> > 3) Install via "apt-get -t unstable install
dbmail dbmail-mysql
> > dbmail-sieve"
>
> 4) run the migrate_2.0_to_2.1 script in
/usr/share/doc/dbmail-mysql/examples
>
> 5) run 'dbmail-util -ay' to prime the header caches.
> 6) edit /etc/defaults/dbmail to select the services you
want to run
> 7) check proper delivery: cat message.txt|dbmail-smtp
-u username -m folder
> 8) /etc/init.d/dbmail restart
> 9) test availability of imap and/or pop3
> 10) restart your MTA and keep an eye on mail.log.
> 11) done.
>
> > 4) restore dbmail mysql backup (Same strucure
right)
>
> NO! Dbmail does not require dump/reload.
>
> > 5) restore /etc/dbmail/ (Do we have new config
options?)
>
> NO! Allow dpkg to install the maintainers version of
dbmail.conf, and
> afterwards check the settings (trace levels,
min_spare_children,
> max_spare_children, etc...)
>
> >
> > I know this was a a lot at once so thank you very
much
> > Demi
> >
> >
> > /# apt-get -t unstable install dbmail dbmail-mysql
dbmail-sieve
> > Reading Package Lists... Done
> > Building Dependency Tree... Done
> > The following extra packages will be installed:
> >  libatk1.0-0 libcairo2 libfreetype6 libglib2.0-0
libgmime2.1
> > libgtk2.0-common libmysqlclient15off libpango1.0-0
> >  libpango1.0-common mysql-common
> > Suggested packages:
> >  stunnel dbmail-ldap exim4 mail-transport-agent
libfreetype6-dev
> > ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho
> >  ttf-thryomanes ttf-baekmuk ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp
ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp
> > ttf-arphic-gkai00mp ttf-arphic-bkai00mp
> > Recommended packages:
> >  libatk1.0-data libglib2.0-data x-ttcidfont-conf
> > The following packages will be REMOVED:
> >  dbmail2-mysql
> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
> >  dbmail dbmail-mysql dbmail-sieve libcairo2
libgmime2.1 libmysqlclient15off
> > The following packages will be upgraded:
> >  libatk1.0-0 libfreetype6 libglib2.0-0
libgtk2.0-common libpango1.0-0
> > libpango1.0-common mysql-common
> > 7 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 1 to remove and 437
not upgraded.
> > Need to get 7179kB of archives.
> > After unpacking 6622kB of additional disk space
will be used.
> > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
> > _______________________________________________
> --
>  
____________________________________________________________
____
>   Paul Stevens                                     
paul at nfg.nl
>   NET FACILITIES GROUP                     GPG/PGP:
1024D/11F8CD31
>   The Netherlands________________________________http://www.nfg.nl


Ohh wow
I don't remember haven ever gotten a better formulated
answer. Thank
you Paul I really appreciate that.
Now what I still don't understand is what is the deal with
those two
versions of the same software? You are the owner of both
packages so
what is the point?

1) Witch one is going to be maintained in the future or more
likely to
stay current?
2) The dbmail 2.16 version vs dbmail2-mysql version has
libsieve
integrated. That sounds good. Is that maybe the point of
having two
versions and what are the advantages of integration?

I am going to wait for your answer before I make any major
changes. I
think it would be a good idea to post your answers on the
wiki pages
as well since most people just starting out with dbmail
don't even
realize the fact that there are so many possibilities.

Thanks much
-- 
Demi
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DK wrote:
> On 6/13/06, Paul J Stevens <paulnfg.nl> wrote:
>>
>>
>> DK wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am not quite clear with all this:
>> > My current version is dbmail  2.0.9-1 stable
deb pkg
>>
>> that would be dbmail2-mysql then.
>>
>> >
>> > I have filters in table dbmail_filters defined
and they work fine.
>> > My guess is dbmail handles that without
sieve?!?
>>
>> Yes. But only in the dbmail2 packages for 2.0.x.
>>
>> >
>> > I have libsieve1 2.1.10-1 installed but not
configured.
>>
>> You're not using it anyways.
>>
>> >
>> > I am considering to upgrade to dbmail version
2.16 (deb pkg unstable)
>> > and installing dbmail_sieve.
>>
>> That works great, but those packages do *not*
include the filters patch:
>> you'll have to port the entries in the filters
table to sieve scripts.
>>
>> >
>> > Now:
>> > Is dbmail_sieve using the dbmail db or does it
create sieve folders to
>> > tmp store email?
>>
>> It uses the dbmail_sievescripts table.
>>
>> > What is your suggestion advantages /
disadvantages?
>> >
>> > Is it safer to stay with dbmail in the stable
version? I am worried
>> > about upgrading so many dependencies to
unstable. (See dependants list
>> > below)
>>
>> That depends on what other services you're using
that system. The list
>> below looks pretty clean to me.
>>
>> > When I do install dbmail 2.16 it removes
dbmail2-mysql first.
>> > So would this work:
>> > 1) backup dbmail mysql database
>> > 2) backup /etc/dbmail/
>>
>> always a very good idea.
>>
>> 2a) stop your MTA (postfix?) to prevent mail from
bouncing.
>>
>> > 3) Install via "apt-get -t unstable
install dbmail dbmail-mysql
>> > dbmail-sieve"
>>
>> 4) run the migrate_2.0_to_2.1 script in
>> /usr/share/doc/dbmail-mysql/examples
>>
>> 5) run 'dbmail-util -ay' to prime the header
caches.
>> 6) edit /etc/defaults/dbmail to select the services
you want to run
>> 7) check proper delivery: cat
message.txt|dbmail-smtp -u username -m
>> folder
>> 8) /etc/init.d/dbmail restart
>> 9) test availability of imap and/or pop3
>> 10) restart your MTA and keep an eye on mail.log.
>> 11) done.
>>
>> > 4) restore dbmail mysql backup (Same strucure
right)
>>
>> NO! Dbmail does not require dump/reload.
>>
>> > 5) restore /etc/dbmail/ (Do we have new config
options?)
>>
>> NO! Allow dpkg to install the maintainers version
of dbmail.conf, and
>> afterwards check the settings (trace levels,
min_spare_children,
>> max_spare_children, etc...)
>>
>> >
>> > I know this was a a lot at once so thank you
very much
>> > Demi
>> >
>> >
>> > /# apt-get -t unstable install dbmail
dbmail-mysql dbmail-sieve
>> > Reading Package Lists... Done
>> > Building Dependency Tree... Done
>> > The following extra packages will be
installed:
>> >  libatk1.0-0 libcairo2 libfreetype6
libglib2.0-0 libgmime2.1
>> > libgtk2.0-common libmysqlclient15off
libpango1.0-0
>> >  libpango1.0-common mysql-common
>> > Suggested packages:
>> >  stunnel dbmail-ldap exim4
mail-transport-agent libfreetype6-dev
>> > ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho
>> >  ttf-thryomanes ttf-baekmuk
ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp
>> > ttf-arphic-gkai00mp ttf-arphic-bkai00mp
>> > Recommended packages:
>> >  libatk1.0-data libglib2.0-data
x-ttcidfont-conf
>> > The following packages will be REMOVED:
>> >  dbmail2-mysql
>> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
>> >  dbmail dbmail-mysql dbmail-sieve libcairo2
libgmime2.1
>> libmysqlclient15off
>> > The following packages will be upgraded:
>> >  libatk1.0-0 libfreetype6 libglib2.0-0
libgtk2.0-common libpango1.0-0
>> > libpango1.0-common mysql-common
>> > 7 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 1 to remove and
437 not upgraded.
>> > Need to get 7179kB of archives.
>> > After unpacking 6622kB of additional disk
space will be used.
>> > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
>> >
_______________________________________________
>> -- 
>>  
____________________________________________________________
____
>>   Paul Stevens                                     
paul at nfg.nl
>>   NET FACILITIES GROUP                     GPG/PGP:
1024D/11F8CD31
>>   The Netherlands________________________________http://www.nfg.nl
> 
> 
> Ohh wow
> I don't remember haven ever gotten a better formulated
answer. Thank
> you Paul I really appreciate that.
> Now what I still don't understand is what is the deal
with those two
> versions of the same software? You are the owner of
both packages so
> what is the point?

There are no two versions of the same.

dbmail-2.0 packages are called:

dbmail2-mysql
dbmail2-pgsql
dbmail2-mysql-ldap
dbmail2-pgsql-ldap

They are named as such because when I setup the packaging I
was aiming
to support dbmail-1 and dbmail-2 both together in
debian/sarge. However,
since dbmail never made it into sarge due to critical bugs,
all is moot.
So I decided to drop the double naming and redo everything
in the
dbmail-2.1+ packages. Hence the new scheme

dbmail - base package for the dbmail email solution
dbmail-pgsql - Postgresql module for Dbmail
dbmail-sqlite - Sqlite module for Dbmail
dbmail-ldap - LDAP module for Dbmail
dbmail-sieve - Sieve module for Dbmail
dbmail-mysql - MySQL module for Dbmail



> 
> 1) Witch one is going to be maintained in the future or
more likely to
> stay current?

dbmail-2.0.x will not end up in debian/etch
dbmail-2.2+ is very much aimed at debian/etch, but will also
be
supported for debian/sarge if etch is /late/.

both series will be maintained on debian.nfgd.net until
their end-of-life.

> 2) The dbmail 2.16 version vs dbmail2-mysql version has
libsieve
> integrated. That sounds good. Is that maybe the point
of having two
> versions and what are the advantages of integration?

dbmail2-mysql does *NOT* support Sieve because dbmail-2.0.x
doesn't

dbmail-2.1+ does support sieve.

> 
> I am going to wait for your answer before I make any
major changes. I
> think it would be a good idea to post your answers on
the wiki pages
> as well since most people just starting out with dbmail
don't even
> realize the fact that there are so many possibilities.
> 
> Thanks much


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____
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On 6/13/06, Paul J Stevens <paulnfg.nl> wrote:
> DK wrote:
> > On 6/13/06, Paul J Stevens <paulnfg.nl> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> DK wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > I am not quite clear with all this:
> >> > My current version is dbmail  2.0.9-1
stable deb pkg
> >>
> >> that would be dbmail2-mysql then.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I have filters in table dbmail_filters
defined and they work fine.
> >> > My guess is dbmail handles that without
sieve?!?
> >>
> >> Yes. But only in the dbmail2 packages for
2.0.x.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I have libsieve1 2.1.10-1 installed but
not configured.
> >>
> >> You're not using it anyways.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I am considering to upgrade to dbmail
version 2.16 (deb pkg unstable)
> >> > and installing dbmail_sieve.
> >>
> >> That works great, but those packages do *not*
include the filters patch:
> >> you'll have to port the entries in the
filters table to sieve scripts.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Now:
> >> > Is dbmail_sieve using the dbmail db or
does it create sieve folders to
> >> > tmp store email?
> >>
> >> It uses the dbmail_sievescripts table.
> >>
> >> > What is your suggestion advantages /
disadvantages?
> >> >
> >> > Is it safer to stay with dbmail in the
stable version? I am worried
> >> > about upgrading so many dependencies to
unstable. (See dependants list
> >> > below)
> >>
> >> That depends on what other services you're
using that system. The list
> >> below looks pretty clean to me.
> >>
> >> > When I do install dbmail 2.16 it removes
dbmail2-mysql first.
> >> > So would this work:
> >> > 1) backup dbmail mysql database
> >> > 2) backup /etc/dbmail/
> >>
> >> always a very good idea.
> >>
> >> 2a) stop your MTA (postfix?) to prevent mail
from bouncing.
> >>
> >> > 3) Install via "apt-get -t unstable
install dbmail dbmail-mysql
> >> > dbmail-sieve"
> >>
> >> 4) run the migrate_2.0_to_2.1 script in
> >> /usr/share/doc/dbmail-mysql/examples
> >>
> >> 5) run 'dbmail-util -ay' to prime the header
caches.
> >> 6) edit /etc/defaults/dbmail to select the
services you want to run
> >> 7) check proper delivery: cat
message.txt|dbmail-smtp -u username -m
> >> folder
> >> 8) /etc/init.d/dbmail restart
> >> 9) test availability of imap and/or pop3
> >> 10) restart your MTA and keep an eye on
mail.log.
> >> 11) done.
> >>
> >> > 4) restore dbmail mysql backup (Same
strucure right)
> >>
> >> NO! Dbmail does not require dump/reload.
> >>
> >> > 5) restore /etc/dbmail/ (Do we have new
config options?)
> >>
> >> NO! Allow dpkg to install the maintainers
version of dbmail.conf, and
> >> afterwards check the settings (trace levels,
min_spare_children,
> >> max_spare_children, etc...)
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I know this was a a lot at once so thank
you very much
> >> > Demi
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > /# apt-get -t unstable install dbmail
dbmail-mysql dbmail-sieve
> >> > Reading Package Lists... Done
> >> > Building Dependency Tree... Done
> >> > The following extra packages will be
installed:
> >> >  libatk1.0-0 libcairo2 libfreetype6
libglib2.0-0 libgmime2.1
> >> > libgtk2.0-common libmysqlclient15off
libpango1.0-0
> >> >  libpango1.0-common mysql-common
> >> > Suggested packages:
> >> >  stunnel dbmail-ldap exim4
mail-transport-agent libfreetype6-dev
> >> > ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho
> >> >  ttf-thryomanes ttf-baekmuk
ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp
> >> > ttf-arphic-gkai00mp ttf-arphic-bkai00mp
> >> > Recommended packages:
> >> >  libatk1.0-data libglib2.0-data
x-ttcidfont-conf
> >> > The following packages will be REMOVED:
> >> >  dbmail2-mysql
> >> > The following NEW packages will be
installed:
> >> >  dbmail dbmail-mysql dbmail-sieve
libcairo2 libgmime2.1
> >> libmysqlclient15off
> >> > The following packages will be upgraded:
> >> >  libatk1.0-0 libfreetype6 libglib2.0-0
libgtk2.0-common libpango1.0-0
> >> > libpango1.0-common mysql-common
> >> > 7 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 1 to
remove and 437 not upgraded.
> >> > Need to get 7179kB of archives.
> >> > After unpacking 6622kB of additional disk
space will be used.
> >> > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
> >> >
_______________________________________________
> >> --
> >>  
____________________________________________________________
____
> >>   Paul Stevens                                
     paul at nfg.nl
> >>   NET FACILITIES GROUP                    
GPG/PGP: 1024D/11F8CD31
> >>   The
Netherlands________________________________http://www.nfg.nl
> >
> >
> > Ohh wow
> > I don't remember haven ever gotten a better
formulated answer. Thank
> > you Paul I really appreciate that.
> > Now what I still don't understand is what is the
deal with those two
> > versions of the same software? You are the owner
of both packages so
> > what is the point?
>
> There are no two versions of the same.
>
> dbmail-2.0 packages are called:
>
> dbmail2-mysql
> dbmail2-pgsql
> dbmail2-mysql-ldap
> dbmail2-pgsql-ldap
>
> They are named as such because when I setup the
packaging I was aiming
> to support dbmail-1 and dbmail-2 both together in
debian/sarge. However,
> since dbmail never made it into sarge due to critical
bugs, all is moot.
> So I decided to drop the double naming and redo
everything in the
> dbmail-2.1+ packages. Hence the new scheme
>
> dbmail - base package for the dbmail email solution
> dbmail-pgsql - Postgresql module for Dbmail
> dbmail-sqlite - Sqlite module for Dbmail
> dbmail-ldap - LDAP module for Dbmail
> dbmail-sieve - Sieve module for Dbmail
> dbmail-mysql - MySQL module for Dbmail
>
>
>
> >
> > 1) Witch one is going to be maintained in the
future or more likely to
> > stay current?
>
> dbmail-2.0.x will not end up in debian/etch
> dbmail-2.2+ is very much aimed at debian/etch, but will
also be
> supported for debian/sarge if etch is /late/.
>
> both series will be maintained on debian.nfgd.net until
their end-of-life.
>
> > 2) The dbmail 2.16 version vs dbmail2-mysql
version has libsieve
> > integrated. That sounds good. Is that maybe the
point of having two
> > versions and what are the advantages of
integration?
>
> dbmail2-mysql does *NOT* support Sieve because
dbmail-2.0.x doesn't
>
> dbmail-2.1+ does support sieve.
>

Thanks, understood I'll move from the dbmail2 pkg set to
the new dbmail pkg set

Just a reminder, you really should make a note about this in
the
dbmail2 pkg set.

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On 6/13/06, Paul J Stevens <paulnfg.nl> wrote:
> DK wrote:
> > Hello,
>
> > When I do install dbmail 2.16 it removes
dbmail2-mysql first.
> > So would this work:
> > 1) backup dbmail mysql database
> > 2) backup /etc/dbmail/
>
> always a very good idea.
>
> 2a) stop your MTA (postfix?) to prevent mail from
bouncing.
If I stop Postfix my mail has no place to go.
If I stop dbmail and keep postfix running isn't postfix
just going to
queue the mail (It can still look up the aliases from the
db) till I
start the new dbmail pkg?
>
> > 3) Install via "apt-get -t unstable install
dbmail dbmail-mysql
> > dbmail-sieve"
>
> 4) run the migrate_2.0_to_2.1 script in
/usr/share/doc/dbmail-mysql/examples
>
> 5) run 'dbmail-util -ay' to prime the header caches.
> 6) edit /etc/defaults/dbmail to select the services you
want to run
> 7) check proper delivery: cat message.txt|dbmail-smtp
-u username -m folder

What is message.txt is that just something which comes with
the new pkg?

> 8) /etc/init.d/dbmail restart

You mean /etc/init.d/dbmail start or do I not have to
uninstall the
dbmail2-mysql pkg first?

> 9) test availability of imap and/or pop3
> 10) restart your MTA and keep an eye on mail.log.
> 11) done.
>
> > 4) restore dbmail mysql backup (Same strucure
right)
>
> NO! Dbmail does not require dump/reload.

So when I install the new pkg it will detect that there is
already a
dbmail db and not touch it.

>
> > 5) restore /etc/dbmail/ (Do we have new config
options?)
>
> NO! Allow dpkg to install the maintainers version of
dbmail.conf, and
> afterwards check the settings (trace levels,
min_spare_children,
> max_spare_children, etc...)
>

Should I or can I remove libsieve before I install
dbmail-sieve, in
other words do they have anything to do with each other?

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DK wrote:
> On 6/13/06, Paul J Stevens <paulnfg.nl> wrote:
>> DK wrote:
>> > Hello,
>>
>> > When I do install dbmail 2.16 it removes
dbmail2-mysql first.
>> > So would this work:
>> > 1) backup dbmail mysql database
>> > 2) backup /etc/dbmail/
>>
>> always a very good idea.
>>
>> 2a) stop your MTA (postfix?) to prevent mail from
bouncing.
> If I stop Postfix my mail has no place to go.

That's _exactly_ the idea: freeze your mailsystem, and
don't accept new
messages.

> If I stop dbmail and keep postfix running isn't
postfix just going to
> queue the mail (It can still look up the aliases from
the db) till I
> start the new dbmail pkg?

Don't count on it. Assume mail will start bouncing. Better
be safe than
sorry. Mail will start queing at the sending mtas which is
no problem at
all.


>>
>> > 3) Install via "apt-get -t unstable
install dbmail dbmail-mysql
>> > dbmail-sieve"
>>
>> 4) run the migrate_2.0_to_2.1 script in
>> /usr/share/doc/dbmail-mysql/examples
>>
>> 5) run 'dbmail-util -ay' to prime the header
caches.
>> 6) edit /etc/defaults/dbmail to select the services
you want to run
>> 7) check proper delivery: cat
message.txt|dbmail-smtp -u username -m
>> folder
> 
> What is message.txt is that just something which comes
with the new pkg?

Something like:
----------------
From: nobodynowhere.org
To: someoneotherwhere.org
Subject: testing

test
---------------

should do the trick.


> 
>> 8) /etc/init.d/dbmail restart
> 
> You mean /etc/init.d/dbmail start or do I not have to
uninstall the
> dbmail2-mysql pkg first?

start will do.

> 
>> 9) test availability of imap and/or pop3
>> 10) restart your MTA and keep an eye on mail.log.
>> 11) done.
>>
>> > 4) restore dbmail mysql backup (Same strucure
right)
>>
>> NO! Dbmail does not require dump/reload.
> 
> So when I install the new pkg it will detect that there
is already a
> dbmail db and not touch it.

The packages do not concern themselves with the database at
all!!! So,
no automatic upgrades of databases, no automatic
installation of
database, no automatic removal of database.

> 
>>
>> > 5) restore /etc/dbmail/ (Do we have new config
options?)
>>
>> NO! Allow dpkg to install the maintainers version
of dbmail.conf, and
>> afterwards check the settings (trace levels,
min_spare_children,
>> max_spare_children, etc...)
>>
> 
> Should I or can I remove libsieve before I install
dbmail-sieve, in
> other words do they have anything to do with each
other?
> 


dbmail-sieve requires libsieve. If you use the libsieve
package from
debian.nfgd.net you're all set.

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