"Supported" distros for building ipcop

As part of my QA process I would like us to decide what
distributions we will 
support for building ipcop (both 1.4 and 1.5).  I'd like to
keep the list 
reasonably short:

1) LFS 6.2                 - x86, ppc, sparc
2) Debian sarge          - x86, ppc, sparc
3) Gentoo 2006.1       - x86, ppc, sparc
4) Fedora Core 6        - x86, ppc
5) Ubuntu 6.10          - x86, ppc

the next two I would prefer *not* to include, but they are
major enough so 
perhaps we should support them

6) OpenSUSE 10.2      - x86, ppc
7) MandrivaFree 2007 - x86

Also, if there's interest I can look into building a minimal
live LFS-6.2 
based cdrom to compile ipcop.

I think this is a sensible list and covers all
"major" distributions we should 
focus on.

New versions of these distributions will not be
automatically supported unless  
they don't break the other.

Please let me know if you agree on this list or if you think
I've forgotten 
anything.

IvanK.

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Ivan Kabaivanov wrote:
> As part of my QA process I would like us to decide what
distributions we will 
> support for building ipcop (both 1.4 and 1.5).  I'd
like to keep the list 
> reasonably short:
> 
> 1) LFS 6.2                 - x86, ppc, sparc
> 2) Debian sarge          - x86, ppc, sparc
> 3) Gentoo 2006.1       - x86, ppc, sparc
> 4) Fedora Core 6        - x86, ppc
> 5) Ubuntu 6.10          - x86, ppc
> 
> the next two I would prefer *not* to include, but they
are major enough so 
> perhaps we should support them
> 
> 6) OpenSUSE 10.2      - x86, ppc
> 7) MandrivaFree 2007 - x86
> 
> Also, if there's interest I can look into building a
minimal live LFS-6.2 
> based cdrom to compile ipcop.
> 
Would you perhaps consider building either an LFS-6.2 or
distro of your 
choice above and making it into a VMWare session so that
anyone can just 
  use the vmware player to create a build environment.
That way you could periodically update it to meet needed
requirements in 
libraries, etc. There should be no mismatched libaries, or
build levels.

VMWare player will load on many OS's, which means for the
most part, 
anyone should then be able to build Ipcop without a lot of
hassle. Which 
in turn should cut down on the number of help requests on
how to build.

Darren



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On Monday 02 April 2007 17:39, Darren Critchley wrote:
> Ivan Kabaivanov wrote:
> > As part of my QA process I would like us to decide
what distributions we
> > will support for building ipcop (both 1.4 and
1.5).  I'd like to keep the
> > list reasonably short:
> >
> > 1) LFS 6.2                 - x86, ppc, sparc
> > 2) Debian sarge          - x86, ppc, sparc
> > 3) Gentoo 2006.1       - x86, ppc, sparc
> > 4) Fedora Core 6        - x86, ppc
> > 5) Ubuntu 6.10          - x86, ppc
> >
> > the next two I would prefer *not* to include, but
they are major enough
> > so perhaps we should support them
> >
> > 6) OpenSUSE 10.2      - x86, ppc
> > 7) MandrivaFree 2007 - x86
> >
> > Also, if there's interest I can look into building
a minimal live LFS-6.2
> > based cdrom to compile ipcop.
>
> Would you perhaps consider building either an LFS-6.2
or distro of your
> choice above and making it into a VMWare session so
that anyone can just
>   use the vmware player to create a build environment.
> That way you could periodically update it to meet
needed requirements in
> libraries, etc. There should be no mismatched libaries,
or build levels.
>
> VMWare player will load on many OS's, which means for
the most part,
> anyone should then be able to build Ipcop without a lot
of hassle. Which
> in turn should cut down on the number of help requests
on how to build.
>
> Darren

It's an interesting idea and I've seen at least twice people
request vmware 
images.  The problems with vmware are:
1) Only for x86
2) One more level of complexity
3) One more piece of required software for ipcop
development
4) Licensing issues?  Can we freely and legally redistribute
these images?
5) The pre-build toolchain already affords us independence
from the host os

IvanK.

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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:03:48 -0400
Ivan Kabaivanov <chepatiyahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> It's an interesting idea and I've seen at least twice
people request
> vmware images.  The problems with vmware are:
> 1) Only for x86
> 2) One more level of complexity
> 3) One more piece of required software for ipcop
development
> 4) Licensing issues?  Can we freely and legally
redistribute these
> images? 5) The pre-build toolchain already affords us
independence
> from the host os
> 
When releasing 1.5 I take it is based on kernel 2.6? If that
is the
case, may I suggest to create a XEN image then?

1) Supports all current platforms
2) Should not provide an extra level of complexity because
XEN is part
of the current stable kernel
3) Do not require an extra piece of software due to it is
part of the
kernel
4) No licensing issues since XEN is released under GPL
5) No requirements are forced on the toolchains independence
from the
host os.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ivan Kabaivanov" <chepatiyahoo.com>
To: <ipcop-devellists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:13 PM
Subject: [IPCop-devel] "Supported" distros for
building ipcop


> As part of my QA process I would like us to decide what
distributions we
will
> support for building ipcop (both 1.4 and 1.5).  I'd
like to keep the list
> reasonably short:
>
> 1) LFS 6.2                 - x86, ppc, sparc
> 2) Debian sarge          - x86, ppc, sparc
> 3) Gentoo 2006.1       - x86, ppc, sparc
> 4) Fedora Core 6        - x86, ppc
> 5) Ubuntu 6.10          - x86, ppc
>
Should we think in the term of supported or unsupported
distro?
We could report on wich distro full build has been tested
and where the
toolchain was build.
We presume everyone could build the toolchain and ipcop
after.
If it is not the case, using the toolchain should be the
solution to build
ipcop.

Using a toolchain build on a recent distro but used on an
older look to be a
corner case.
It show that all toolchain packages are not equals. It is
simple to see that
toolchain package size vary depending on the distro to build
(one is 74 MB,
the other is 75 MB)
All that indicate me that I will build the next distributed
toolchain on
debian sarge to minimise the risk.

I would prefer to avoid distributing a different toolchain
for each distro.
This would become very painfull, considering the volume to
upload.

Since some time, we use one toolchain without complain, so
this should be
considered as working.
Toolchain actually is not used by default, should we do that
in the futur?

Gilles


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Gilles Espinasse wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ivan Kabaivanov" <chepatiyahoo.com>
> To: <ipcop-devellists.sourceforge.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:13 PM
> Subject: [IPCop-devel] "Supported" distros
for building ipcop
> 
> 
>> As part of my QA process I would like us to decide
what distributions we
> will
>> support for building ipcop (both 1.4 and 1.5).  I'd
like to keep the list
>> reasonably short:
>>
>> 1) LFS 6.2                 - x86, ppc, sparc
>> 2) Debian sarge          - x86, ppc, sparc
>> 3) Gentoo 2006.1       - x86, ppc, sparc
>> 4) Fedora Core 6        - x86, ppc
>> 5) Ubuntu 6.10          - x86, ppc
>>
> Should we think in the term of supported or unsupported
distro?
> We could report on wich distro full build has been
tested and where the
> toolchain was build.
> We presume everyone could build the toolchain and ipcop
after.
> If it is not the case, using the toolchain should be
the solution to build
> ipcop.
> 
> Using a toolchain build on a recent distro but used on
an older look to be a
> corner case.
> It show that all toolchain packages are not equals. It
is simple to see that
> toolchain package size vary depending on the distro to
build (one is 74 MB,
> the other is 75 MB)
> All that indicate me that I will build the next
distributed toolchain on
> debian sarge to minimise the risk.
> 
> I would prefer to avoid distributing a different
toolchain for each distro.
> This would become very painfull, considering the volume
to upload.
> 
> Since some time, we use one toolchain without complain,
so this should be
> considered as working.
> Toolchain actually is not used by default, should we do
that in the futur?
> 
> Gilles
> 

Gilles,

I guess I was a bit vague -- I didn't mean we should
distribute one 
pre-built toolchain for every supported host distro.  I
meant that I 
wanted to make sure that any toolchain built on a supported
distribution 
should work on any other distribution.  But there'll be just
one 
toolchain for x86, one for ppc, and eventually one for
sparc.

We don't have to force people to use the pre-built
toolchain, because it 
was created only as a convenience to those who for some
reason couldn't 
or wouldn't compile their own.  Also, if everyone started
using the 
pre-built toolchain, bandwidth usage would increase.

My original idea of "supported" distros was that
we guarantee that ipcop 
will successfully compile on them and the pre-built
toolchain would also 
work.  If people wanted to compile on anything else, they
would have to 
find workarounds/patches for their hosts.

IvanK.

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On Monday 02 April 2007 02:13:11 pm Ivan Kabaivanov wrote:
> As part of my QA process I would like us to decide what
distributions we
> will support for building ipcop (both 1.4 and 1.5). 
I'd like to keep the
> list reasonably short:
>
> 1) LFS 6.2                 - x86, ppc, sparc
> 2) Debian sarge          - x86, ppc, sparc
> 3) Gentoo 2006.1       - x86, ppc, sparc
> 4) Fedora Core 6        - x86, ppc
> 5) Ubuntu 6.10          - x86, ppc
>
> the next two I would prefer *not* to include, but they
are major enough so
> perhaps we should support them
>
> 6) OpenSUSE 10.2      - x86, ppc
> 7) MandrivaFree 2007 - x86
>
> Also, if there's interest I can look into building a
minimal live LFS-6.2
> based cdrom to compile ipcop.
>
> I think this is a sensible list and covers all
"major" distributions we
> should focus on.
>
> New versions of these distributions will not be
automatically supported
> unless they don't break the other.
>
> Please let me know if you agree on this list or if you
think I've forgotten
> anything.
>
> IvanK.
>

I've been successful building both versions on the 64 bit
version of OpenSuSE 
10.2 by using the 32 bit Konsole. I've been using the
toolchain of course and 
have been able to build the 1.5 toolchain locally by using
the glibc option. 

Dave

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