PledgeBank ?

Hi Jorge,

What do you think of trying to raise some funds using
pledgebank ?
I know this is not really the type of funding you're
expecting for
Dillo, but it should be interesting to see if there's a
response.

Considering what recently happened to the nouveau project
[1]
(someone raised 1300+ 10$ donations in their name), if think
it
could be interesting to take the chance.

On a related note, the FOSDEM will be held 5 minutes away
from my
place, i could drop some "Fund Dillo" posters
there to get some
publicity.

What do you think ?

Cheers,
Vincent

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:

>  Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested
developers and
> got only one answer for a "patch-developer"
so to speak.

Actually, I volunteered some time back and never got a
response.  I 
haven't fiddled with FLTK development, but I reckon I could
pick it up in 
a week or so.

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Hi Johannes and R.L,

  Please  excuse my delay to answer. Finally I found some
time to
address this.

On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 05:25:49PM +0100, Johannes Hofmann
wrote:
> Hi Jorge,
> 
> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 08:56:47AM -0300, Jorge
Arellano Cid wrote:
> > 
> >   Another  important  point  is  that we're not
working with GTK1
> > anymore, but with FLTK2 (antialiasing, UTF-8,
statical linking in
> > 700KB,  less  dependencies,  etc). We have an
advanced prototype.
> > This is important for potential developers.
> > 
> >   We're  looking for interested developers to work
on Dillo. This
> > is  also  key  to the success of the project. This
is the kind of
> > developer that not only sends patches but that
contributes to the
> > core of it.
> > 
> >   Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested
developers and
> > got only one answer for a
"patch-developer" so to speak.
> 
> I'm a long time dillo user and have some experience
with fltk1 and
> fltk2 from my small spare time projects.
> I would be happy to contribute to the dillo project but
my time
> will be limited...

"R.L. Horn" wrote:
> > Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested
developers and
> >got only one answer for a
"patch-developer" so to speak.
>
> Actually, I volunteered some time back and never got a
response.  I
> haven't fiddled with FLTK development, but I reckon I
could pick it up in
> a week or so.

  Thanks for commiting some time to Dillo!

  PLease let me know a rough estimate of how much time could
this
be.  Just  to have an idea of what kind of task you both can
work
in based on your expertise and available time.

  At  this  moment, much of Dillo is quite similar to what
we had
in 0.8.x series. The main differences are:

  - Dw was ported to C++ (some new capabilities, similar
API).
  - HTML/text/script parser was ported to C++.
  - The Concomitant callback chain was redesigned for
simplicity.
    (Now, instead of one CCC branch per task, an anhanced
    universal branch handles Dpi, HTML, text and images).
  - Bug fixes/injections 

  A great thing is that Dw is well documented (Doxygen), it
has a
testbed,   it's  isolated  from  Dillo  and  it  can  be 
studied
comfortably.  OTOH, there's a lot of middle/minor work to be
done
to complete its implementation.

  If I get your time availability it would be easier to plan
with
Sebastian what to suggest you to work on.

  Thanks a lot for your commitment.

  May thy example be followed by the listeners! 


-- 
  Cheers
  Jorge.-

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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:

>  - Dw was ported to C++ (some new capabilities, similar
API).
>  - HTML/text/script parser was ported to C++.

I'm sorry to hear that.  If the plan is a general switchover
to C++, I'll 
have to back out.  I don't do C++, Java, etc. for free --
it's just not 
worth the aggravation.

Hell, I've just discovered that FLTK2 (r5642) won't even
build with my 
current compiler/linker combination.  Sorry, life's too
short for this 
kind of crap.

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On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 06:52:55PM -0600, R.L. Horn wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
> 
> > - Dw was ported to C++ (some new capabilities,
similar API).
> > - HTML/text/script parser was ported to C++.
> 
> I'm sorry to hear that.  If the plan is a general
switchover to C++, I'll 
> have to back out.  I don't do C++, Java, etc. for free
-- it's just not 
> worth the aggravation.
> 
> Hell, I've just discovered that FLTK2 (r5642) won't
even build with my 
> current compiler/linker combination.  Sorry, life's too
short for this 
> kind of crap.

  Believe it or not, I have a similar feeling about C++, and
try
to avoid it as much as I can. Now, FLTK2 is a good toolkit
(trying
to use a small subset of C++'s bloat), and there were parts
of Dillo
that needed to be ported to it, but is mainly as C-ish as it
was before.

  Although I still have to try to convince Sebastian to a
smallest
C++ feature set in Dw. Not much of his fault, maybe he
didn't have
an option, with C++ you have the curse of templates.

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Le Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:56:47 -0300,
Jorge Arellano Cid <jciddillo.org> a écrit :

> Hi Vincent,
> 
> Raising some funds, and to create awareness of what the
current
> status  of the Dillo project is, looks like a good
idea. It would
> be  important  to  let  the readers know that we seek
funds to be
> able  to quit our jobs and to dedicate full time to
work on Dillo
> for  at  least  a year (when hopefully we could have
secured some
> enterprise funding to continue).
> 
>   This  is  simply  a too fast a moving target for two
developers
> to chase working after hours.

I understand all of this, but i doubt the pledge could pay
for this
all by itself. BTW, how much money do you think we should be
aiming
for ? I thought about going with 10$ pledges but i'm not
sure how many
between 1000, 2500 or 5000, 1000 probably being the
reasonable choice.

>   We're  looking for interested developers to work on
Dillo. This
> is  also  key  to the success of the project. This is
the kind of
> developer that not only sends patches but that
contributes to the
> core of it.
> 
>   Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested
developers and
> got only one answer for a "patch-developer"
so to speak.

Again, i'm really interested in Dillo's future, but i can't
make any
hard commitment to it's development...

>   I  like FOSDEM!, was once there, and there're lots of
different
> people  attending  it.  From  technical to management.
If you can
> pass  the above ideas (more or less deatiled in my
previous posts
> too)  with  a  broad  target  scope,  it could
certainly help the
> project, and we'd appreciate that.

Unfortunately, i'm not sure i will attend the FOSDEM. My
idea was to
put together the posters with a quick description of Dillo
and links to
the website and the pledge.

I will have to take care of this next week or so and contact
the FOSDEM
people to check if i can put posters in some rooms or
interesting spots.

Cheers,
Vincent

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Hi Vincent,

On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 04:30:39PM +0100, Vincent Thomasset
wrote:
> Le Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:56:47 -0300,
> Jorge Arellano Cid <jciddillo.org> a écrit :
> 
> > Hi Vincent,
> > 
> > Raising some funds, and to create awareness of
what the current
> > status  of the Dillo project is, looks like a good
idea. It would
> > be  important  to  let  the readers know that we
seek funds to be
> > able  to quit our jobs and to dedicate full time
to work on Dillo
> > for  at  least  a year (when hopefully we could
have secured some
> > enterprise funding to continue).
> > 
> >   This  is  simply  a too fast a moving target for
two developers
> > to chase working after hours.
> 
> I understand all of this, but i doubt the pledge could
pay for this
> all by itself. BTW, how much money do you think we
should be aiming
> for ? I thought about going with 10$ pledges but i'm
not sure how many
> between 1000, 2500 or 5000, 1000 probably being the
reasonable choice.

  20$ to reach 5000.
  At  least  that  could give hope to being able to work
again on
it.  The cost of life is not very high in Chile and
donations may
help.


-- 
  Cheers
  Jorge.-

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