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On Feb 2, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Barry Swan wrote:

>>> hm, aren't we looking to the same screenshots
since years now ?
>>> I can't see much progress.
>
> Given where otoy's history is (3dgroove) I've never
seen anything  
> remotely approaching promise from this 'tech'.

Well, some interesting political things happened behind the
scenes.

 From what I've heard...

Macromedia almost purchased/licensed it, but there was a
disagreement  
between the partners (Jules, Chris and the other guy who
lives in  
Brazil now) at that time about that purchase/license that
broke up  
the partnership.  Jules went on to do his own 3d engine,
Chris went  
who knows where and the other guy went on to do his 3d
engine.

I've seen the other guy's engine in various states of
working/ almost  
working as it needs to but I heard that it didn't work as
billed on a  
project for Motorola.  One of the other list members (who
did see  
that) can confirm or deny that for me since I didn't really
see it at  
that state.


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>
> Macromedia almost purchased/licensed it, but there was
a  
> disagreement between the partners (Jules, Chris and the
other guy  
> who lives in Brazil now) at that time about that
purchase/license  
> that broke up the partnership.  Jules went on to do his
own 3d  
> engine, Chris went who knows where and the other guy
went on to do  
> his 3d engine.

Do you know what this disagreement was about?
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At 8:56 AM -0800 2/2/07, Tom Higgins wrote:
>  > Also many demo I tried end up with a "unity
player error" or crashing
>>  my browser
>
>Really? If you have the time and inclination I'd
appreciate hearing 
>(off-list) the demo URLs and your machine info (OS &
browser most 
>notably).

That's the same story I've heard from some colleagues, I
think using 
Firefox or IE on a PC. Maybe the 1.61 html code is more
friendly?

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Selon taumel <taumelmarune.de>:

> 
> > Also many demo I tried end up with a "unity
player error" or  
> > crashing my
> > browser, or running slowly/not being *that*
impressive. So the  
> > teasing about
> > Unity being so great is a bit too much IMO
considering what we get  
> > to see so
> > far, but I appreciate getting posted about
updates/news.
> 
> Which ones? Feel free to report them as bugs if you
want to?!

Honestly I'm not gonna bug hunt for a product I don't have
interest into (yet
?). But for example the FPS demo used to consistently crash
my Firefox 1.5, I
just tried it again : no more crash but a "Unity update
is required but there
are other Unity players running, please close them and
rety" message, while I
don't have any other unity player running.

Also on the biggest french Director forum we've had a few
threads about unity :
some people had errors/crashes, others didn't but then some
saw the cool
shaders/effects while others didn't, some had a smooth
framerate while others
didn't... etc

That said, I'm not bashing Unity : I have a rather good
feeling about it overall
. It just doesn't look like a mature product to me yet.

> 
> >
> > I'm curious about it but nothing gets me
"boing boing" yet :P
> 
> The possibility developing a game or whatever with a
tool like this  
> for a console makes me boing boing. Have you ever done
a game for a  
> console or a handheld before? To me this is a special
feeling. Having  
> your game running on a gaming console feels different
than just let  
> it runnig on your computer. Beside of this it for sure
will be fun  
> using the Wii controller in your game!

Agreed, this is good news for Unity and I wish it continues
like this really.
But I still won't buy a Mac for that - yet 

BTW I noticed the demo page got updated with lots of stuff
from you : didn't try
them yet but nice work anyway ! Keep it up so we can all
switch to Unity
comfortably when SW3D dies ;)

cheers,

Matse

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Selon taumel <taumelmarune.de>:

> 
> > Also many demo I tried end up with a "unity
player error" or  
> > crashing my
> > browser, or running slowly/not being *that*
impressive. So the  
> > teasing about
> > Unity being so great is a bit too much IMO
considering what we get  
> > to see so
> > far, but I appreciate getting posted about
updates/news.
> 
> Which ones? Feel free to report them as bugs if you
want to?!

Honestly I'm not gonna bug hunt for a product I don't have
interest into (yet
?). But for example the FPS demo used to consistently crash
my Firefox 1.5, I
just tried it again : no more crash but a "Unity update
is required but there
are other Unity players running, please close them and
rety" message, while I
don't have any other unity player running.

Also on the biggest french Director forum we've had a few
threads about unity :
some people had errors/crashes, others didn't but then some
saw the cool
shaders/effects while others didn't, some had a smooth
framerate while others
didn't... etc

That said, I'm not bashing Unity : I have a rather good
feeling about it overall
. It just doesn't look like a mature product to me yet.

> 
> >
> > I'm curious about it but nothing gets me
"boing boing" yet :P
> 
> The possibility developing a game or whatever with a
tool like this  
> for a console makes me boing boing. Have you ever done
a game for a  
> console or a handheld before? To me this is a special
feeling. Having  
> your game running on a gaming console feels different
than just let  
> it runnig on your computer. Beside of this it for sure
will be fun  
> using the Wii controller in your game!

Agreed, this is good news for Unity and I wish it continues
like this really.
But I still won't buy a Mac for that - yet 

BTW I noticed the demo page got updated with lots of stuff
from you : didn't try
them yet but nice work anyway ! Keep it up so we can all
switch to Unity
comfortably when SW3D dies ;)

cheers,

Matse

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Selon Tom Higgins <tomotee.dk>:

>  > What about having a windows dev environment ? I
think at some
>  > point it was planned, but then disappeared from
the website ?
> 
> I don't know that it was ever "planned and on the
website". Yes, it's 
> part of the longer term roadmap for Unity as we realize
that the lack of 
> a Windows authoring tool does inhibit the growth of our
product 
> somewhat. That having been said we're focusing on core
player 
> functionality in the short to medium-term though, so I
wouldn't exactly 
> recommend holding your breath or anything like that
just yet...

I seem to remember something on the website about a planned
windows version of
the dev environment, looooooong ago, which got me started on
keeping an eye on
it. I may just be wrong, I don't remember the details nor
when it was but I
really seem to remember that yeah, and going to the forums
to search for a
timeframe.

> 
> 
>  > Also many demo I tried end up with a "unity
player error" or crashing
>  > my browser
> 
> Really? If you have the time and inclination I'd
appreciate hearing 
> (off-list) the demo URLs and your machine info (OS
& browser most notably).

Same answer as for Taumel, sorry 
forgot to mention in the previous post : FF1.5, winXP,
GeForce 6600GT

cheers,

Matse

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On Feb 2, 2007, at 11:24 AM, taumel wrote:

>>
>> Macromedia almost purchased/licensed it, but there
was a  
>> disagreement between the partners (Jules, Chris and
the other guy  
>> who lives in Brazil now) at that time about that
purchase/license  
>> that broke up the partnership.  Jules went on to do
his own 3d  
>> engine, Chris went who knows where and the other
guy went on to do  
>> his 3d engine.
>
> Do you know what this disagreement was about?

Yes.  But I consider that private.

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It's very interesting to read that the focus is going to be
the core
technology - don't forget the magic rule...

Content is KING!


If you don't have developers willing to purchase a Mac ( I
went in to
buy a Mac Mini recently to do some mac testing on for
Director, but
ended up purchasing a Tablet PC instead - the prospect of
running
Unity didn't swing my decision and to go Mac ), then the
developers
creating content will be vastly reduced ( it would be
interesting to
get some stats here - would the potential developer base go
up 200%,
or 2000%? - how much of an increase in revenue would that be
for the
company? )

As well as hiring engine developers ( Win, Mac, Wii etc ),
why not
hire in addition an experienced PC IDE developer ( hell, why
not even
get one with Linux experience too! ) to convert the main
development
app over.

To me, commercially that would make a lot more sense.

I'd keep an eye out on Blender also - the GE is vastly
improving (
Bullet 2 physics, it's about to get OGRE3D in-game graphics
), and it
already has total cross-platform code, including Linux. 
There are
even screenshots of it running on PS/3 ( albiet in Linux
mode ), and
Pocket PC mode!!! ( albiet without the GE yet ).  Blender
did have a
true cross-platform 3D plugin which was dropped when the app
went
open-sourced, but it's about to go back in again ( very
likely for the
next release after the up and coming one ).

It's now just about back to having a good, solid stable
platform -
you're going to see some great advancements over the next
year!

Free, and on Windows, and extendable ( get the source code
), with
access to GLSL shaders etc, may win some developers over
over "Buy a
Mac", and lose you guys some $$$.  I'm currently
helping out with
fixing bugs in the GE, and intend to put a lot more time
into it this
year ( along with the other GE developers ).

Regards...
Mal
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>
> Honestly I'm not gonna bug hunt for a product I don't
have interest  
> into (yet
> ?). But for example the FPS demo used to consistently
crash my  
> Firefox 1.5, I
> just tried it again : no more crash but a "Unity
update is required  
> but there
> are other Unity players running, please close them and
rety"  
> message, while I
> don't have any other unity player running.

Okay, i think i understand what you mean.

Sadly times where you get bug free software from scratch is
kind of  
over due to different reasons so personally i decide which
software  
is really important to me and which one is not in order to
make a  
choice for which one i'm willing to invest my unpaied time
to enhance  
the situation and for which i'm not. For those i don't care
this much  
i obviously hope that others care more than me and do the
work for me  
so that i can come back later hopefully getting a better
product.

Only problem with that strategy is that don't get 100% of
the bugs as  
there are bugs which only you take care of or which only
occur on  
your machine. So the more feedback the better the situation
is  
afterwards for all. Contrary to MM you here get answers and
things  
get fixed, not immediately but time after time.

So the sooner you want this to be a more stable situation
the more it  
helps if you report but as said before i also understand
your point  
of view.

In a perfect world otee would come out with a bugfree
product without  
that users have to report bugs or do betatesting before but
i guess  
that's not gonna happen, due to otee is too small for
handling this  
internally and it's a complex field, so...


Regards,

taumel
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>
> I'd keep an eye out on Blender also - the GE is vastly
improving (
> Bullet 2 physics, it's about to get OGRE3D in-game
graphics ), and it
> already has total cross-platform code, including Linux.
 There are
> even screenshots of it running on PS/3 ( albiet in
Linux mode ), and
> Pocket PC mode!!! ( albiet without the GE yet ). 
Blender did have a
> true cross-platform 3D plugin which was dropped when
the app went
> open-sourced, but it's about to go back in again ( very
likely for the
> next release after the up and coming one ).
>

Any intersting links you have to offer?

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